Campbell's numbers dont lie

I was hoping that Campbell would play well this year, but so far he isn't. I said earlier in preseason that there's a fine line with playing a good game versus not (playing a good game). The difference is the plays that are made that either win or lose games. He made a few plays that definitely contributed to losing the games with Detroit and New York.

stop it he stinks,who cares what the numbers say,in big spots he is a dear in headlights enough said,.......

You do realize that JC had the same look when he was undefeated and won a national championship at Auburn, right?

Let's face it, you just don't like the way that JC looks, whatever that means.

Just curious for those that are convinced the numbers lie, is there anyone else in the top 10 or 15 that is also a complete fraud like JC?

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&d-447263-n=1)

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

I disagree. I think that the "Qb's are judged by wins" saying is faux wisdom, since football is a team game which is not determined by one player. Look at Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. He has an 8-11 record as a starter. But most teams in the NFL would love to have him under center.

I was hoping that Campbell would play well this year, but so far he isn't. I said earlier in preseason that there's a fine line with playing a good game versus not (playing a good game). The difference is the plays that are made that either win or lose games. He made a few plays that definitely contributed to losing the games with Detroit and New York.

You're obviously NOT watching the games very closely. He is playing very well...unlike most of the team.

Just curious for those that are convinced the numbers lie, is there anyone else in the top 10 or 15 that is also a complete fraud like JC?

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=PASSING&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&d-447263-n=1)

These numbers aren't lying, JC is playing great...but I'll throw Kolb and Sanchez into the "fraud" or at least overachieving category. :D

With a yards per attempt of 7.8, I think we need to reconsider this notion that all JC does is throw dump offs. It's just not the case this year. Plus if you've watched the games at all you know what the deal is. If you're paying attention that is.

I don't think I said that's all he throws but certainly his completion stats are padded by them. I believe I said "short and/or safe passes"...but i think it speaks to the overall point that he racks up yards and completions when we are playing from behind against a soft defense. He stays very conservative or absent for stretches during the early to middle parts of games.

But Matty, let's break it down by the quarter, to make sure we are paying "attention" to detail:
"short passes" denote short throws with YAC as determined by play-by-play commentator

NYG - 1 intermediate pass completed, 1 deep pass completed
1Q: 1-1, 7 yds
1 short pass (7 yds on 3rd and 18); ZERO deep or intermediate passes attempted
2Q: 6-10, 106 yds, 1 INT, 1 FUMBLE for TD;
5 short passes; 1 intermediate pass completed (12yds thru the air, ARE runs for 22 after a broken tackle); ZERO deep passes completed
3Q: 5-7, 37 yds
5 short passes; ZERO deep or intermediate passes attempted
4Q: 6-8, 61 yds, 1TD
5 short passes; 1 deep pass completed for 17yd-TD with 1:37 left in the game

STL - 3 intermediate passes completed; 1 deep completed
1Q: 6-10, 52 yds
5 short passes, 1 intermediate passes (15); ZERO deep passes completed
2Q: 9-15, 96 yds
7 short passes, 1 intermediate pass (15); 1 deep pass to Moss for 21
3Q: 4-5, 47yds
4 short passes, 1 intermediate pass to ARE; ZERO deep passes attemped
4Q: 4-6, 47yds
4 short passes (25yd screen pass to betts); ZERO intermediate or deep balls completed

DET - 3 intermediate passes (2 against prevent), 3 deep passes (1 against prevent)
1Q: 6-8, 80yds <--good first drive
5 short passes (1 Moss ran for 21 after breaking tackle); 1 deep pass to Thomas (18 yds)
2Q: 2-5, 21yd
2 short passes in flat with 5 YAC; ZERO intermediate or deep passes completed
3Q: 4-7, 99 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT
2 short passes, 1 intermediate pass, 1 BEAUTIFUL deep 57yd TD to Moss
4Q: 15-21, 133yds, 1 TD (no huddle offense 8-8 72yds & 4-7 for 48)
12 short passes, 2 intermediate passes, 1 deep pass to moss for 21 yds against prevent defense

TOTAL (thru 3 games): 7 intermediate passes; 5 deep passes...a WHOLE lotta short or conservative throws

I count 57...Look that's the nature of the WCO, i understand, but let's not make Campbell out to be something that he isnt...an elite QB. Just because he has a high completion percentage and a decent amount of passing yards, it does NOT make him a great QB. Sure he has shown improvement from last year but it's not being reflected in the W-L column or TD #'s thus far.

I was just rationalizing the reasons for the deceptive stats. Most of his yards and completions come on passes less than 10 yards. THOSE ARE THE FACTS!

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!


I do not fall into the camp of people that want to oust Campbell. I think he is talented, and more than capable of leading us to the playoffs (but for our old, damaged line). That said, the QB rating metric is off, I believe due to the fact that 2/3 of the TDs he has tossed came in "garbage-ish" time. I know the defenses didn't "want to give up those TDs" but the games were pretty much in hand at that point (yes, I know we could have come back and beaten detroit, but we didn't). Campbell has always been accurate, its his fumbles (which he recovers) and his poor INTs that are killer. That said, I think Jason has a bright future, if we let him grow.

I'd love to see some stats picked apart from other QBs so we can see who else is not really "elite".

By the way I never said he was elite or even great, just good, and better than some are willing to give him credit for, that's all.

And again, ultimately my argument on all of this is our problems run much deeper than JC.

I'd love to see some stats picked apart from other QBs so we can see who else is not really "elite".

By the way I never said he was elite or even great, just good, and better than some are willing to give him credit for, that's all.

And again, ultimately my argument on all of this is our problems run much deeper than JC.

in support of mattyk, football outsiders was very high on campbell coming into the season. He's accurate and his receivers led the league in dropped balls (i think).