Campbell's numbers dont lie

I think, in many ways, Campbell's inability to slide typifies my issues with him as a player. It's not that sliding is a particularly important skill

I don't think we're disagreeing on a whole lot here. Personally I want the Skins to keep looking for a franchise QB, if they let Campbell compete for the starting job for the next year or two while they do it, so be it...

I don't think we're disagreeing on a whole lot here. Personally I want the Skins to keep looking for a franchise QB, if they let Campbell compete for the starting job for the next year or two while they do it, so be it...Yeah, I think our opinions differ a lot more on Cutler than on Campbell.

Perhaps he does. I think the evidence is clear that Campbell is better, but those who mis-valued Cutler last year are certainly going to be slow to admit the mistake. I mean, just look around here.

Cutler should rebound next season and get back to the top half of quarterbacks in the league, which is where Campbell is right now. I'm sure there's hope that Cutler will eventually regain his probowl form in Chicago, possibly legitimate hope, but I'm not sure why that would be a better bet than Campbell blossoming under Shanahan. Seems like a lot of hoping on both ends.

I disagree, Cutler's passing ability has been appearent IMO even while he was making poor decisions. Jason Campbell's short coming are the same as when he had protection last season and the one before... Campbell has overthrown far too many open receivers to think he's just going through growing pains... When a guy has his good completion % but so few long TD's a very low number of TD passes in general, and such low yard per completion averages... It says he's not an effective down field passer... His Int rate would be stellar if it wasn't for the fact that is it clearly a product of overly conservative decision making.

This conservative decision making is appearent in the stat someone brought up about Campbell being 2 and 16 in games where he's tied or behind by a TD with six minutes left... He's thrown 2 TD's and 4 Int's in those 18 games... When he HAS to make bigger throws he's not mediocre... he's terrible...

Honestly I wish it wasn't the case, he's clearly a likable, tough and personable guy.

Yeah, I think our opinions differ a lot more on Cutler than on Campbell.

I don't know, I think Cutler is a decent QB and I think Campbell is slightly less so... I agree Campbell would be better with improved line play... but I think he would still have a hard time not throwing jump balls to stationary WR's and overthrowing open deep routs... Because this IMO is largely due to his windup on longer throws.

best way to judge, gtripp do you think the redskins could get what the bears got in a trade? i highly doubt it

I don't know, I think Cutler is a decent QB and I think Campbell is slightly less so... I agree Campbell would be better with improved line play... but I think he would still have a hard time not throwing jump balls to stationary WR's and overthrowing open deep routs... Because this IMO is largely due to his windup on longer throws.

Not seeing much of a windup at all. :confused-

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You can make any excuse you want. Campbell is just better. It's not that there isn't some very valid reasoning to suggest that a lot of Cutler's struggles this year were due to simple external factors that can improve, but you would really have to be quite biased to stretch the evidence in a way that makes Cutler a viable winner in the comparision.

26 interceptions isn't good, but the thing that really speaks volumes is the red zone INTs. Campbell threw zero red zone INTs this year, and most of his TDs came from the red zone. Cutler threw six (seven?) red zone picks. Can't excuse that, it's indicitive of a guy who doesn't see the coverage well (and never really has).



Good article:
Jay Cutler + Red Zone = Disaster (http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/11/13/jay-cutler-red-zone-disaster/)