Campbell's numbers dont lie

No offense but anyone right now who thinks Campbell is the real deal is insane. He cant even take the snap cleanly half the plays. Anyone can manipulate stats to make someone look good. So in this case your stats do lie.

Damn Tony Romo has dropped snaps and even fumble it in the end zone. Shit happens some time its football. Thats so shallow thinking. I guess you want JarMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn,Kyle Boller,Jake Delhomme. Lame Redskins fans looking to always blame the QB.

Wrong! Stats do lie. He's not getting the team in the end zone. Not all his fault but some of it is. I'd say the stats look better than he's actually played. There have been some garbage numbers. I think he's been kind of average on a bad offense.

It would be JC fault if he called his on plays. Guess what he doesn't, Zorn does as far as points the WR have to hold on to the ball or even break at tackle from time to time.

When was the last time JC made a throw to win a game? I'm not talking about a dump pass or a quick slant either. When has he hit a streaking receiver in stride to give us the lead? I can't remember...

When was the last time JC overthrew a ball that would've resulted in a TD? Happens almost every week.

When we have one final play from our 35 yard line, We choose to run a gadget play across the middle.
The vikings were in the same situation and favre launched a rocket into his WR's hands. Don't tell me that minnesotas WR's are better than ours...

JC is so concerned about not making a bad play, he seldom makes anything other than a routine throw.
When was the last time JC threw the ball downfield in a jumpball situation? Teams do it all the time.


JC is no more to us than what Trent Dilfer was to the Ravens. He is not a bad quarterback but he is not a guy that is going to win games for you.

He doesn't have to win the game thats why we upgrade the defense. He should manage the game and not lose it. He is not a great QB but he is a good QB.

There were two third down plays yesterday, one near the redzone as well as the play on which he threw an interception, in which Campbell responded to pressure by ignoring open receivers - Moss and Are respectively - and throwing into coverage. And those were just the two I noticed on TV, there certainly could have been more. QB numbers matter, but as Mike Shanahan famously said you make your money as a QB in the NFL on third down, and that's where Campbell has really been struggling.

I get the argument that Campbell's supporting cast isn't helping him - hell I've made it myself for the past year - but at some point we have to start thinking about whether or not Campbell is the right player for the team we have now (which isn't getting any better anytime soon). They can't protect him and he's bad against pressure. I've seen the statistics about how prolific Campbell is when given time to throw but when is he given time to throw? And when will he be? Our line is old and the cupboard is bare. There's no budding linemen pushing the older guys to start.

So if it becomes clear that he won't be coming back next year, and wow it's going to take a lot for that not to be the case, when do we need to think about making a change?

Who is the right player for this team? Oh do we go out and try to trade for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Lets figure out who the damn coach is going to be for possible next year. We have a good QB lets work with him and focus on a better O-Line to give us a running game to help our QB.

I'm just being real bro, pick a team then. You don't see me putting a saints avatar on mine and I used to live there

I agree we got all these Haters here who only want to support a team when they win. You have people talking about they're embarrassed to be a Redskins fan shit any team can lose a game. I would never be embarrassed to support my team, we have a choice to root for a team. We have some weak a** fans here.

Silly debate right now. He's not Brady, but it seems clear that he's not the root of our problems right now. He can certainly be better, but I would say the trend is positive on JC--he's gotten better, even if he's not lighting up the scoreboard.

THings that are more serious, IMO:

1. Where the fuck is our running game????
2. Why can't our D get off the field--that supposed to be our strength. ToP was brutal yesterday
3. D can't generate TOs
4. Play calling.
5. Brutal game-losing penalities
6. Consistent execution on EVERY play, JC included.

He's our best QB at present. Fix these other issues, and we'll win some games.
I agree with you we have to be concerned with the Lack of Running game and poor 3rd down defense.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;598877]They're all good. But their teams don't avergae 13 points a game either. Like I said. JC has to take some of the blame for that. But it's not all on him either.[/QUOTE
The thread was Campbell's numbers don't lie. It wasn't about blaming him it merely pointed out that his stats are decent compared to other good QB's in the NFL.

People that think Collins would do a better job than Campbell right now are smoking something. For starters, Collins' mobility resembles that of an 80 year old woman, and our O-line leaks like an old faucet. Against a half decent pass rush, Collins may leave the field in an ambulance.

They still remember when Collins won a few games that got us to the playoffs and we lost to the Seahawks. If Collins has to play we are up a creek without a paddle. He has no arm strength to throw the ball deep , I guess thats ok since we dont go deep much. I do no this he is fragile as a bull in a china shop. A career backup vs JC please you people must be on a real Hatters trip on JC.

I'll also go out on a limb here and say this.
Zorn gets fired and Mike shannanhan is our new HC. Campbell doesn't get resigned and goes to minnesota. We get a draft pick in the top ten. We do what ever we can to get sam bradford. Our OL next year will be. Donald Penn (of Tampa bay) at LT, Derrick Dockery LG, Draft pick at C (Mike Pouncey of Florida), Jahri Evans (of New Orleans) RG, Stephon Heyer at RT (or Samuels if we keep him). Our DL will be Orakpo at RE, Griffin, haynesworth, Jarmon at LE. Our LB's will be mcintosh, fletcher, and either a draft pick, or a FA. Our corners will be one of the crappy ones now, and a FA like dunta robinson. And I say that Shannahan asks for a new GM, and Vinny gets positioned down from GM, to like a smaller position.
I'm a very optimistic person, but I just see no way we win games with an offense that can't score in the red zone. Our defense is OK, they could be better if the offense stays on the field longer. I'm not as confident saying this, but I think LaRon could be trade bate for a high draft pick. And I forgot to mention that Greg Blache will either Resign or be fired.


Wow you went out on a limb for these statements: Are you in a high profile position or something where your reputation may take a hit if your wrong?:offtopic:

See this is the reason why Jason Campbell needs to go to another team, you got the f'ing owner wanting to ship him out town and stupid fans that are making up reasons to hate him and lay the blame solely on him.

As I said, I wish Campbell was a terrible QB so these morons had something to complain about.

See JarMarcus Russell for terrible in Websters. Raiders fans would love to trade us for JC for Russell.