Pocket$ $traight
12-22-2009, 10:08 AM
Campbell is a warrior and a the type of guy you want on your team.
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Pocket$ $traight 12-22-2009, 10:08 AM Campbell is a warrior and a the type of guy you want on your team. Kalisto2010 12-22-2009, 10:50 AM Too early, way too early, to say Sanchez is a bust Actually, Sanchez is going to be a fantastic QB. Despite the myriad of interceptions he's made a lot of big plays for his team. I remember when Troy Aikman or Peyton first came in the league they were interceptions left and right. But they also demonstrated the ability to make plays for their teams. I'm not saying Sanchez will be as good as those two, but as you stated it's way to early to call him a bust. Ruhskins 12-22-2009, 10:53 AM Actually, Sanchez is going to be a fantastic QB. Despite the myriad of interceptions he's made a lot of big plays for his team. I remember when Troy Aikman or Peyton first came in the league they were interceptions left and right. But they also demonstrated the ability to make plays for their teams. I'm not saying Sanchez will be as good as those two, but as you stated it's way to early to call him a bust. Good point. I just think that Sanchez here would have been a terrible idea. He would have been another David Carr or Patrick Ramsey, and would have been shell shocked by the end of the season. I just pray that this team realizes how awful of a line they have have and take care of that before they bring in the new QB of the future. SmootSmack 12-22-2009, 11:11 AM I need to go back and watch the game (no, I'm not a masochist) and see why exactly Collins was able to step right in and make two big throws. What did he have that Campbell didn't? tryfuhl 12-22-2009, 11:24 AM I need to go back and watch the game (no, I'm not a masochist) and see why exactly Collins was able to step right in and make two big throws. What did he have that Campbell didn't? He put touch on the ball and had the trust in the receiver to bring the ball in. I mean those balls were exactly where they needed to be and the coverage wasn't exactly relaxed. Campbell has enough picks on the year a couple of extra ones aren't going to hurt. If I recall correcty Collins promptly stepped up where he had space and got the balls out relatively quickly. I mean maybe the line put a lil extra juice in their blocks for the backup but that's something I'd have to go back and look at as well. ESPN broke down the Campbell throws.. 15 completions/28 attempts... 3 overthrown, 2 underthrown, 2 picks, 1 drop, etc skinsfan69 12-22-2009, 11:26 AM I need to go back and watch the game (no, I'm not a masochist) and see why exactly Collins was able to step right in and make two big throws. What did he have that Campbell didn't? It is what it is. He's always going to be a small ball QB. He's never going to be someone that forces the issue, or takes a lot of chances. The really good qb's are risk takers, JC will never be a risk taker. Interesting stat for all of you stat nerds...Jaws said 70% of JC's passes travel LESS THAN 10 yards. And I think he said 20% are BEHIND the line of scrimmage. Now how are we ever going to beat Philly, NY and Dallas throwing 5 yard passes? over the mountain 12-22-2009, 12:02 PM i think he said 24% of JCs passes are behind the line of scrimmage and 79% dont travel past 10 yds in the air. JC's pass yds really improved last night due to a couple 2 yd passes that turned into 20+ yd pass plays (rock had a 50 yd, mason and ganther had a 20+). another thing jaws said that caught my attention was on that sack JC took at the end of the 1st quarter or beginning of the second quarter when a giants LB came untouched right up the middle. jaws said JC had no time at all but he also said JC has to see that coming right up the middle. 1st play for TC, he reviews the giants D, adjusts the rb to his right side for protection, then we got that illegal snap call. JC plays tough but i never see him scanning the D, calling things out and making any adjustments. TC's first play he does it. eli was calling out our D and potential blitzers all game. rabach used to do that pretty well 3 years ago before (according to reports beginning of last year) zorn gave that duty of calling blocking assignments to JC and not rabach. now i dont even know if we cal out blockers or adjust our blocking, if JC doesnt like what he sees he calls a timeout. MTK 12-22-2009, 12:06 PM i think he said 24% of JCs passes are behind the line of scrimmage and 79% dont travel past 10 yds in the air. JC's pass yds really improved last night due to a couple 2 yd passes that turned into 20+ yd pass plays (rock had a 50 yd, mason and ganther had a 20+). another thing jaws said that caught my attention was on that sack JC took at the end of the 1st quarter or beginning of the second quarter when a giants LB came untouched right up the middle. jaws said JC had no time at all but he also said JC has to see that coming right up the middle. 1st play for TC, he reviews the giants D, adjusts the rb to his right side for protection, then we got that illegal snap call. JC plays tough but i never see him scanning the D, calling things out and making any adjustments. TC's first play he does it. eli was calling out our D and potential blitzers all game. rabach used to do that pretty well 3 years ago before (according to reports beginning of last year) zorn gave that duty of calling blocking assignments to JC and not rabach. now i dont even know if we cal out blockers or adjust our blocking, if JC doesnt like what he sees he calls a timeout. I thought he was referring to Ganther who needed to see that and pick up the free man. JC makes adjustments, not sure why people think he doesn't or don't see them. Monkeydad 01-04-2010, 11:13 AM FINAL stats/assessment: Cutler: TOTAL: 336/555 (60.5%), 3,666 yds, 27 TD, 26 INT, 76.8 rating, 173 rush yds, 1 rush TD, 35 sacks, 1 fumble lost Sanchez: TOTAL: 196/364 (53.8%), 2,444 yds, 12 TD, 20 INT, 63.0 rating, 106 rush yds, 0 rush TD, 26 sacks, 3 fumbles lost Campbell: TOTAL: 327/507 (64.5%), 3,618 yds, 20 TD, 15 INT, 86.4 rating, 236 rush yds, 1 rush TD, 43 sacks, 3 fumbles lost Ranks: Comp. % = Campbell (64.5%), Cutler (60.5%), Sanchez (53.8%) Yds =Cutler (3,666), Campbell (3,618), Sanchez (2,444) TDs = Cutler (27), Campbell (20), Sanchez (12) INTs (fewest) = Campbell (15), Sanchez (20), Cutler (26) QB rating = Campbell (87.0), Cutler (71.1), Sanchez (62.3) Rush yds = Campbell (215), Cutler (158), Sanchez(104) Rush TDs = Campbell/Cutler (1), Sanchez (0) Sacks (fewest) = Sanchez (26), Cutler (35), Campbell (43) Fumbles lost (fewest) - Cutler (1), Campbell/Sanchez (3) JC has proven to be the most accurate and efficient of the 3, the least-turnover prone, and despite having the worst offensive line, weakest running game and most organizational chaos...he has done the best of the three QBs. Cutler came on strong in the final two games, including an uncharacteristic 4 TD/0 INT game for him in Week 17 against the Lions, but threw at least one INT in 12 of the 16 games, including 7 multiple-INT games with highs of 5 and 4 INTs in each of a couple of his worst games. In comparison, Campbell had only three multiple-INT games with his worst being 3 picks in a single game that the Redskins won despite of his off-day (Tampa Bay). The Bears were 0-7 when Cutler threw more than one INT. Sanchez' stats for the season are abbreviated because of his late-season benching, but ignoring that, his stats are ugly. He completed barely 50% of his passes and had almost double the number of INTs as TDs. This was all with the one of the top defenses in the NFL and the #1 rushing game in the league. When the Jets had to rely on Sanchez' arm, he failed despite having a team around him that would have allowed Campbell to be a Pro-Bowler. Campbell showed some real leadership and proved himself to be one of the toughest QBs in the league in my opinion. He was sacked 43 times, but I'd like to see a stat on how many times he was hit hard when he was able to get rid of the ball. He was completely abused and literally beaten into the ground with a revolving door of offensive linemen and 5 different RBs, plus the loss of his favorite target in Chris Cooley. He physically survived despite a black eye and other aches/pains, but I also believe and hope that his job security survived. He Jason played very well this season in a bad situation and was one of the few bright spots on offense (along with Fred Davis, Thomas, Kelly emerging...Dockery surviving the season, possibly the discovery of Quinton Ganther's talent). Thankfully, Vinny Ceratto is gone and Bruce Allen won't let this annual headline happen again in 2010: Redskins Ignore Offensive Line in Draft -- NFL FanHouse (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/29/redskins-ignore-offensive-line-in-draft/) In my opinion, only Derrick Dockery and Levi Jones earned a return, possibly Mike Williams as a backup only. Casey Rabach managed to last most of the season, but continued to cost the team with his inability to snap in the shotgun formation and stupid penalties in the red zone. Edwin Williams or a new Center should be starting next season. Heyer has proven he's not starter material. Portis may be back but we better not rely on him to be the sole back. We need to either add another supplementary back or trust Ganther to be part of a RB tandem to keep Portis healthier and maximize his remaining talent, which he does have when healthy...but that's the problem. With an offensive line, consistency at RB and a capable HC (like Shanahan), I believe Jason Campbell will lead this team to a lot of success in the future. He has already proven that he was the best choice of the 3 QBs in question for the team prior to the season. I can only be hopeful and almost excited to have an upcoming year led not by a moron in Cerrato and inexperience of Zorn, but by proven winners like Bruce Allen and probably Mike Shanahan. If they have their offseason priorities straight and accomplish them, Jason Campbell and the Redskins will be back on the road to greatness, as us long-time fans were used to and miss. Thanks for reading and debating my tracking of these QBs throughout the season, even if you disagreed with me. The future of the Redskins can ONLY get better! HTTR. CRedskinsRule 01-04-2010, 11:36 AM Thanks for the stats Buster. I hope JC comes back, at least while we groom a new qb. Sanchez does get a plus for his team getting into the playoffs, but his play was not the difference in making that happen. |
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