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Lotus 12-10-2009, 07:05 PM Romo 57 games played 53 Int's or 0.9 per game average
Campbell 48 games 35 Int's or 0.7 per game...
Not a very significant difference (far from "no match")... Want to see a significant difference? Care to guess what Romo's willingness to take a few more chances and suffer 0.2 more INT's per game gets him?
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101 TD's versus 50 TD's... That's more than DOUBLE the touchdowns...
51 more TD's for 18 more Int's...
about 2 TD's per game average versus about 1 TD per game average
A 95.1 QB rating versus an 82.2 QB rating...
This is an UNDRAFTED free agent versus a 1st round draft pick that the skins moved up to take...
Campbell's numbers don't lie indeed! Only the ones that are telling the story aren't the ones his supporters want to concentrate on.
Besides other comments mentioned above, I would add that you failed to mention fumbles.
44 70 chip 12-10-2009, 08:33 PM You can compare Romo and JC's numbers all day but unless they played with the same team mates, coaches, system and circumstances it really doesn't amount to much.
Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...
The kicker screwed the pooch and got fired, well... the snap was high, and... NO he got fired... Vinny Cerrato is an awful GM, well he did hit with Davis and Orakpo and Snyder is meddlsome; No fire him! Zorn is a bad HC: well, he's such a nice man, he's taken a lot of BS from his employer and he's learning on the job, and to be fair he had no experience; sorry fire him! Campbell has averaged 1 TD a game career, and only 0.2 less INT's than an undrafted free agent who is averaging 2... Well.... Campbell's a nice guy, and he's had to learn new system, and he's had his feelings hurt when the team looked at other guys... And: No... sorry...
GTripp0012 12-10-2009, 08:38 PM Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...
The kicker screwed the pooch and got fired, well... the snap was high, and... NO he got fired... Vinny Cerrato is an awful GM, well he did hit with Davis and Orakpo and Snyder is meddlsome; No fire him! Zorn is a bad HC: well, he's such a nice man, he's taken a lot of BS from his employer and he's learning on the job, and to be fair he had no experience; sorry fire him! Campbell has averaged 1 TD a game career, and only 0.2 less INT's than an undrafted free agent who is averaging 2... Well.... Campbell's a nice guy, and he's had to learn new system, and he's had his feelings hurt when the team looked at other guys... And: No... sorry...The bottom line though is he's done a pretty good job. That, in my mind, is indisputable.
But because we're 3-9, he's at least somewhat replaceable. If we can lose with him, we can certainly lose without him. So you've got to at least shop him in the offseason, I would think.
Paintrain 12-10-2009, 08:39 PM Well nothing in life is judged from a perfectly level playing field, least of all football players. It's not fair... but that's life. Absolutely everyone is judged on how they perform with little to no curve or weighting given to circumstances or surroundings or other factors...
The kicker screwed the pooch and got fired, well... the snap was high, and... NO he got fired... Vinny Cerrato is an awful GM, well he did hit with Davis and Orakpo and Snyder is meddlsome; No fire him! Zorn is a bad HC: well, he's such a nice man, he's taken a lot of BS from his employer and he's learning on the job, and to be fair he had no experience; sorry fire him! Campbell has averaged 1 TD a game career, and only 0.2 less INT's than an undrafted free agent who is averaging 2... Well.... Campbell's a nice guy, and he's had to learn new system, and he's had his feelings hurt when the team looked at other guys... And: No... sorry... Drinking and posting is never a good look.
44 70 chip 12-10-2009, 08:55 PM Besides other comments mentioned above, I would add that you failed to mention fumbles.
I guess, it's not often used to compare QB's but here goes:
Campbell 28 in 48 games = 0.58 fumbles per game
Romo 35 in 57 = 0.61
Lost:
0.25
0.28
If Romo is a "fumbler" so is Campbell...
44 70 chip 12-10-2009, 09:03 PM Drinking and posting is never a good look.
Those are examples of situations in life where a guy doesn't get be evaluated on a level playing field with every mitigating factor considered before an (often harsh) judgment is made... IMO This is actually an interesting argument so, really try and bring something better than Smiley's and short generic highly unoriginal pot shots.
GTripp0012 12-10-2009, 09:51 PM Those are examples of situations in life where a guy doesn't get be evaluated on a level playing field with every mitigating factor considered before an (often harsh) judgment is made... IMO This is actually an interesting argument so, really try and bring something better than Smiley's and short generic highly unoriginal pot shots.This is only true of bad organizations.
44 70 chip 12-10-2009, 10:09 PM This is only true of bad organizations.
IMO it's true of every facet of life regardless of good or bad... Anyway that's besides the point.
If we can't compare Romo to Campbell then we can';t compare any football player to any other Football player (or team or coach or anything else).
I don't know how we evaluate ANY QB if we have to put them on the exact same team, playing the same schedule etc. How many of you are willing to commit to that philosophy? You can't Judge Zorn against Bill Belicheck can't judge Snyder against Cook... different circumstances, players, etc.
Are some of you guys going to go that far just because you can't stand that Romo is a better QB than Jason Campbell? Don't hate me because I'm being honest, I dislike Romo but I'm not going to lie to myself :)
53Fan 12-10-2009, 10:11 PM I'm not making excuses or taking up for anyone, if we can get someone better than Campbell... great. I just find a lot of these comparisons pointless. 2 years ago, Romo was playing on a team that had, I think, 13 players who made the Pro Bowl. Campbell? He was in the process of learning yet another system that no one on the team was familiar with except Todd Collins as far as I know. I can go on, but then it sounds like excuses. Is it a surprise that the Cowgirls QB would have better numbers than the QB of the Redskins? It shouldn't be.
DBUCHANON101 12-11-2009, 08:04 AM Rumors on ESPN have the Rams making a serious run at JC in the offseason. We'll see how it plays out.
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