Campbell's numbers dont lie


SmootSmack
12-08-2009, 06:19 PM
Unfair bias is thinking Jason Campbell wouldn't be a better option at QB for the Seahawks than a 5'10" 30 year-old QB...never mind that Campbell's former QB coach Bill Lazor now has the same role in Seattle.

44 70 chip
12-08-2009, 09:27 PM
Okay has Hasselbeck announced his retirement? If he has I'll give you the point that Seattle may be interested in Campbell... but I suspect they may be interested in drafting a QB as well. I admit Campbell is better than Wallace I shouldn't have gone that far, but I don't see Seattle thinking JC is so much better that they're willing to give up a 2nd rounder for him.

As I said earlier JC's best bet is to stay here, IMO at best he's fighting for a temporary starting spot in front of a high draft pick no matter where he goes, here at least he's got the upper hand out of camp... Anywhere else and he's either fighting an incumbent Vet QB or a young guy with upside who will get more slack and more benefit of the doubt due to upside.....

DBUCHANON101
12-08-2009, 09:34 PM
IMO JC's biggest thing is being consistent, in the past he would have a good game and then he would disappear for the nest few. These last few weeks he has done well, if he could do this on more of a regular basis then ppl would change their opinions on him. Well I WOULD.

Monkeydad
12-09-2009, 09:54 AM
I think Campbell is playing as well as any qb out there in the last 3 weeks. My only knock on him is - he should have been playing like this at the start of the season.

6 weeks actually...he started really performing well in the first game vs. Philly before the bye.

You're right, he's been one of the top in the NFL over the last 3 weeks.

Monkeydad
12-09-2009, 09:58 AM
A few points that guy from Notre Dame is repeatedly mentioned as able to start his first year right out of the draft.

Ah the Rams I missed them, so the Rams and Buffalo are JC's best prospects and in both cases he would be viewed as competition, and might not even be viewed as desirable depending on who the Rams draft.

Cardinals? Um Matt Leinart? Sorry at best JC is viewed as a backup and probably does not have a real shot at the starting role unless Leinart Struggles.

Carolina Delhomme has a huge contract but you never know... Campbell is certainly not a sexy QB compared to what they have had in the past.

Seattle, their backup already looks better than Campbell

Browns... seriously I know most fans don't maybe watch that much of other teams, but if Brady Quinn isn't the Browns future Jason Campbell sure as hell isn't...


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BigHairedAristocrat
12-09-2009, 12:42 PM
IMO JC's biggest thing is being consistent, in the past he would have a good game and then he would disappear for the nest few. These last few weeks he has done well, if he could do this on more of a regular basis then ppl would change their opinions on him. Well I WOULD.

You're on the money there. Even in the first half of 2008, when Campbell was getting so much praise, he really wasnt all that consistent, and he certainly wasn't playing at the level he is now, which is understandable - we're comparing the first few games in a new offensive system to the last few as he's nearing 2 years of experience in the WCO. I honestly beleive that Snyder wants to see Campbell succeed. If he had shown them more in 2008, he wouldnt have gone after Cutler and Sanchez. As we've all noted over and over, Campbells future here largely depends on who our next head coach is and who he wants at the QB position. However, if Campbell keeps his level of play up the rest of the season, i'm fairly certain he'll be our starting QB next year - no matter who the coach is. Campbell has been in so many offensive systems, whatever offense we run in 2010 likely won't be "new" to him. He'll probably be the most attractive option available for whatever coach we have.

mlmdub130
12-09-2009, 01:20 PM
don't know how accurate this is but steinburg just tweeted it about an hour ago

Jason Campbell's history, less than 6 minutes left, tied or down by one score: 44-82, 584 yards, 2 TD, 4 INT, 64.3 rating, 4-12 record.

Paintrain
12-09-2009, 01:31 PM
You're on the money there. Even in the first half of 2008, when Campbell was getting so much praise, he really wasnt all that consistent, and he certainly wasn't playing at the level he is now, which is understandable - we're comparing the first few games in a new offensive system to the last few as he's nearing 2 years of experience in the WCO. I honestly beleive that Snyder wants to see Campbell succeed. If he had shown them more in 2008, he wouldnt have gone after Cutler and Sanchez. As we've all noted over and over, Campbells future here largely depends on who our next head coach is and who he wants at the QB position. However, if Campbell keeps his level of play up the rest of the season, i'm fairly certain he'll be our starting QB next year - no matter who the coach is. Campbell has been in so many offensive systems, whatever offense we run in 2010 likely won't be "new" to him. He'll probably be the most attractive option available for whatever coach we have. The more Campbell continues to play well, the more I start thinking the same way. If he continues to build rapport with Thomas, Daivs & Kelly it would be smart to keep that consistency, even if the coach is different. I really wonder if there would be such an uproar at that position if Cutler wasn't available last offseason. If we didn't shop so publicly last season would most fans still be frustrated with the results but encouraged by the progress at QB rather than spending so much time on 'what if'? That being said, I love this thread for showing that of the 3 QB, we've clearly got the best one this season.

Looking at a comparison of Campbell to Matt Hasselbeck at similar stages of their careers (1st 28 games) in the WCO the similarities are striking..

-Hasselbeck: 28 TD, 19 INT, 56.6% completions, 5,666 yards, 14-14 record
-Campbell: 28 TD, 18 INT, 64.1% completions, 5,969 yards, 11-17 record

Now obviously the record is the biggest disparity but there are numerous non QB factors that can come into consideration there but the question is worth asking, would Redskins fans be satisfied with Hasselbeck-like production over the next 5 years? He's been consistent, been a winner, led his team to a Super Bowl with the help of a strong running game and an excellent offensive line. If we believe a QB's development in the WCO can be a 3 year maturation process should critics have a different view of Campbell as the Redskins QB of the near future?

44 70 chip
12-09-2009, 05:07 PM
6 weeks actually...he started really performing well in the first game vs. Philly before the bye.

You're right, he's been one of the top in the NFL over the last 3 weeks.

If your standard is fantasy football points sure... Personally I think the two drives where he could have won the last two games were far more telling, and important than his stats, or how well he played when the game was not hanging in the balance.

I'll interpret that insulting smiley as the internet equivalent to a dog rolling over and submitting his belly to another dog while still managing a sad little growl of half hearted protest.

So Campbell has looked good the last couple weeks when the playoffs are out of reach... I'd go so far to say he's looked better than any time in his carreer. He has elevated his play during garbage time in many games earlier in the season as well. why should the "garbage time" of the season be any different?

While I would be quick to say that I think he's a nice guy and his elevated play is more about relaxing and playing more instinctive with less pressure on his shoulders, and not because of any bad character or the fact that he's "playing for a contract"... It is still a major problem. Especially when people see better play during garbage time, as a sign of better play to come when it matters again next season.

Then again, good guy or not, it's also possible that it's fully hit home that he is now playing for his career, his next contract, and maybe the prospects of selling used cars for Easterns doesn't look all that attractive... I don't really think that's his primary motivation, but it sure wouldn't be the first such case.

SolidSnake84
12-09-2009, 05:35 PM
It's been covered in other threads but i really don't get the feeling that Jason is going to be re-signed.

#1 there isn't a big market out there for him. (We saw what other people were willing to trade for him during the Cutler saga)

#2 his play isn't consistant but i will say his last 4 games have been the best in his career. Unfortunatley it may be too little too late

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