Campbell's numbers dont lie


MTK
12-08-2009, 04:40 PM
More than anything a coach wants "his guy" at QB. Not sure it matters if he's a rook or a vet.

BigHairedAristocrat
12-08-2009, 04:52 PM
You sure about that?

Mike Smith-rookie Matt Ryan
John Harbaugh-rookie Joe Flacco
Jim Schwartz-rookie Matt Stafford
Rex Ryan-rookie Mark Sanchez

I think there will be a market for Campbell (Arizona, Carolina, Seattle, Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, St. Louis are all possibilities) but I think it will be a 3rd rounder at best

i guess i should have clarified - when i made that statement, i was thinking more of the former HCs who will be looking for jobs in 2010. all the guys you mentioned were rookie HCs on teams that were, for all intents and purposes, rebuilding their teams from the ground up. However, its worth noting that, Matt Ryan aside, none of those teams drafted a rookie QB and expected to start him in 2010. Flacco won the job due to injuries to the guys above him and Sanchez and Stafford competed with veterans all through camp to earn starting jobs. In the case of Detroit, Culpepper was acquired to be the starter. In 2010, i see alot of "premier" franchises pursuing experienced HCs. Before the past 3 games, i'd have said Campbell wouldnt get more than a 3rd or 4th rounder. But if he continues playing like he has, he'd garner a 2nd and possibly another later round pick as well. The market for veteran QBs will be strong and the supply will be slim.

44 70 chip
12-08-2009, 05:02 PM
A few points that guy from Notre Dame is repeatedly mentioned as able to start his first year right out of the draft.

Ah the Rams I missed them, so the Rams and Buffalo are JC's best prospects and in both cases he would be viewed as competition, and might not even be viewed as desirable depending on who the Rams draft.

Cardinals? Um Matt Leinart? Sorry at best JC is viewed as a backup and probably does not have a real shot at the starting role unless Leinart Struggles.

Carolina Delhomme has a huge contract but you never know... Campbell is certainly not a sexy QB compared to what they have had in the past.

Seattle, their backup already looks better than Campbell

Browns... seriously I know most fans don't maybe watch that much of other teams, but if Brady Quinn isn't the Browns future Jason Campbell sure as hell isn't...

SmootSmack
12-08-2009, 05:16 PM
I think you're exposing your basic biases against Campbell

dmek25
12-08-2009, 05:17 PM
A few points that guy from Notre Dame is repeatedly mentioned as able to start his first year right out of the draft.

Ah the Rams I missed them, so the Rams and Buffalo are JC's best prospects and in both cases he would be viewed as competition, and might not even be viewed as desirable depending on who the Rams draft.

Cardinals? Um Matt Leinart? Sorry at best JC is viewed as a backup and probably does not have a real shot at the starting role unless Leinart Struggles.

Carolina Delhomme has a huge contract but you never know... Campbell is certainly not a sexy QB compared to what they have had in the past.

Seattle, their backup already looks better than Campbell

Browns... seriously I know most fans don't maybe watch that much of other teams, but if Brady Quinn isn't the Browns future Jason Campbell sure as hell isn't...
im really torn on Campbell, but he is wayyy better then Seneca Wallace

BigHairedAristocrat
12-08-2009, 05:20 PM
44 70, a month ago, i would have agreed with you argument about Campbell. Have you been watching the past few games? I can't be sure exactly what has caused it, but Campbell is looking like a true, starting-caliber, QB. I'm not 100% sold on him yet, but i'm getting close. We'll see how he plays out the next 4 games, but if he keeps it up, I think he's made a good case for himself to start SOMEWHERE in 2010. Will he be a top 10 NFL QB? No. Top 15? Sure looks like it the past few weeks. Top 20? I think he's already proven that.

InsaneBoost
12-08-2009, 05:25 PM
I think these last 4 games have been the best in Campbells career and guess what. The line is blocking, only proves my point about him.

Line does their job, he does well as do the RB's, line doesn't the RB's don't.

If Snyder gets rid of Campbell to get some BS big name College kid, I will have lost all confidence in this franchise.

warriorzpath
12-08-2009, 06:07 PM
The redskins offense not only is playing well right now, but seems to be getting better from week to week. It actually wouldn't surprise me if they win in 2 weeks agains the giants, who in the last few years have had the redskins' number.

Campbell's been playing well and the entire offense has played well. I don't know what came first, but I do know that you need to keep this version of the redskins offense together for next year. With all of the unorthodox methods like the 4x4 relay of play/bingo calling and with the perceived underachievers and never-beens -- I am still having fun watching the redskins offense. Something that I haven't said for a long time now.

44 70 chip
12-08-2009, 06:10 PM
I think you're exposing your basic biases against Campbell

that would assume I'm hiding it in the first place. Still there's more than one kind of bias, There's unfair Bias that has not been earned, and perfectly reasonable bias that has sprung from patent realistic appraisal, The latter lets you make decisions that might otherwise be overly clouded with emotion.

While looking decent for 2 or 3 quarter of most games JC has failed to deliver in multiple games where he had the game in his hands near the end. That's an objective observation. It's unequivocal evidence that Campbell isn't the QB the skins need him to be. All the stats in the world don't compare to the question: does he perform when it matters most? The answer is no, and after well over 40 games as a starter it is perfectly reasonable to say that we've seen what we've got... We saw in his first two seasons, but most of us afforded him excuses.

Now unfair "bias" on the other hand, would be using statistics compiled against 6 of the worst teams in the league to try and portray Campbell as a better QB than he really is, due to an emotional investment in the person. Disregarding what the eyes tell you on a game by game basis.

warriorzpath
12-08-2009, 06:16 PM
I think Campbell is playing as well as any qb out there in the last 3 weeks. My only knock on him is - he should have been playing like this at the start of the season.

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