Campbell's numbers dont lie

Like I said, Campbell will be gone next year...the question is whether the next FO will address the offensive line before or after addressing the QB position. I'm afraid that they'll have the mentality of some of the people here and bring in a first round QB instead of a first round tackle.



Well said, yet the JC haters a.k.a. min-Snyders for some reason think he'll be around.

I'm not a JC hater and I think there is a good chance you see him sign a one to two year with us next year. If they go oline with top picks then he might be your best option. Plus this might be the only place he gets a chance to start and build his worth.

This is where the stat line lies. Yes he had a good completion %, looks like he played a good game but he missed 3 easy TD's yesterday. It only shows up as 3 incomplete passes but the reality is it could've been 21 points. He can make up those incompetions with screens, wr screens and easy short crossing passes. It's the big plays he misses that hurts the offense.Coulda, woulda, shoulda. He missed the plays, true, but it's not binary "either TD or incomplete pass." There's perfect throws, bad throws, and everything in between. Campbell usually falls somewhere in the middle.

And once a pass is incomplete, it absolutely cannot be made up with a screen pass. A missed deep ball and a completed screen pass is still 50%, not 100%.

Yeah right. 03 and 04 were pretty damn good years for Brady. Especially when was throwing to Deion Branch, Troy Brown and the guy that left for Tenn that was never heard from again. If JC could put up numbers that Brady did in those years he'd be rewarded with a big raise.Do look it up. Brady's 2003 and Campbell's 2008 are near-identical.

Jason Campbell NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm)

Tom Brady NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm)

Brady really broke out in 2004, as previously pointed out.

Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIII
Joe Montana, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIV
Jeff Hostetler, New York Giants - SB XXV
Mark Rypien, Washington Redskins - SB XXVI
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVII
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXVIII
Steve Young, San Francisco 49ers - SB XXIX
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - SB XXX
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - SB XXXI
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXII
John Elway, Denver Broncos - SB XXXIII
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - SB XXXIV
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - SB XXXV
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVI
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - SB XXXVII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXVIII
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - SB XXXIX
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XL
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - SB XLI
Eli Manning, New York Giants - SB XLII
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - SB XLIII

Past SB winning QB's, id say this is a pretty good list. Nothing avg about them. But once here and there you will find a name that had a GREAT Defense that carried the team to the title but like i said for the most part these guys led their team to the "W". And the ones who rode their defense to the title,how often do you see a defense of that caliber? not very often do you see a defense like that of the 85 Bears, 2000 Ravens, or the Bucs of 2002. In these rare cases i believe these defenses actually outscored the opposing team all by themselves in the SB.
In the post you had earlier where you stated if JC had an avg offensive supporting cast around him he could be a SB contending QB with a great defense. Well i think you would be hard pressed to find a pro QB who wouldnt, and thats the point, that you are more likely to win a title with a top QB with a top 10 defense than you are to have the stars align just right and have a great defense that wins the games for you.Thing is though, the stars have to align for any super bowl winner these days, mostly because the era of the dominant team died in the late 90's.

The NFL these days is an oligarchy of sorts. You have the teams that get it, and they are concentrated mostly in the AFC, which gives the illusion of parity. Since 2000, the Steelers, Patriots, Colts have pretty much represented the AFC every year, exceptions to where the Raiders broke through in a down year and the Ravens big defensive year. But in the NFC, you've gotten basically a different team every year.

The stars align for someone in the NFC every year. It's been the Giants twice, the Bucs, the Rams, the Panthers, the Eagles, the Seahawks, the Bears, and now the Cardinals. In 1998, the Falcons went. That's half the conference. If there's been a dominant QB among the bunch, it's been Kurt Warner. Having Tony Romo has not helped the Cowboys get anywhere. McNabb's been one of the more successful playoff QBs of all time, and it hasn't mattered much. Jake Delhomme and Kerry Collins were neither great quarterbacks, nor did they have great defenses in those years. Rex Grossman?!

You combine all of the super bowl appearences for the best QBs in the NFC over the last decade: Romo, Brees, McNabb, Favre, Culpepper, Marc Bulger, Warner, Hasselbeck...it's roughly half the time that the NFC is represented by a team with an above average QB, or at least a guy who was as good as 08 Campbell. Chris Chandler, Collins, Johnson, Delhomme, Grossman, and Eli have all been there in subpar years, mostly because they had quality individuals on both sides of the ball.

It's not quarterback play that progresses in the playoffs. Considering that it's not the best quarterbacks that get to the playoffs against the best teams, the only reason the trend seems to hold is because the best teams in the AFC every year also have the best quarterbacks. If you took the QBs away, they would still be the best teams: Steelers, Ravens, Titans, Colts, Patriots. Every year. They'd just be closer to the pack.

The only guys on the SB list who were actually drafted into a bad situation were Aikman and Manning, but they were both systematic highly drafted rebuilding pieces. Even there, a plan was in place. Right now, the Redskins are directionless, which makes the quarterback discussion sort of moot.

Anyone who wants to criticize Campbell should use the Carson Palmer comparison, since Palmer has played with great offenses and crappy offenses since taking over as the Bengals starter in 2004. Palmer didn't always play well as the offense of that 2005 season began to fall apart, and frankly, after he missed 2008 with injury, people started to doubt his franchise quarterback-ness.

This year, he's back to being one of the ten most valuable quarterbacks in football.

The other part of the comparison is that if the Bengals were the Redskins, they might have cut or traded him after last season.

Do look it up. Brady's 2003 and Campbell's 2008 are near-identical.

Jason Campbell NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CampJa00.htm)

Tom Brady NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm)

Brady really broke out in 2004, as previously pointed out.

The numbers are not near identical. Brady was clearly better in 02 and 03. And that's not a knock on JC.

campbell still is the same qb he has allways been, he is an average qb, and he could win with the right situation around him. what i see week in and week out is a qb who can manage a game and nothing more, i would love nothing more than to see it all finally click and have him start making all of his passes instead of skipping some on the ground, over throwing others, and not seeing wide open receivers on, just don't think that will happen, he has too many things to over come this far into his career

OK I have been a little harsh to say the least on Jason Campbell, during the past offseason when we were "Secretly" shopping around for Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez, I was all for it. In fact I was down and out when we didn't get either one of those guys. I dogged JC all Preseason and Everygame this season.. But now that half of this season is over I have looked back at all 3 QB's STATS, Jason has a better Passer rating than both and has way less INT's than both. Jason has only 4 less td passes than Cutler and has 1 more than Sanchez. Even with a HORRIBLE and INJURED Oline, and a young recieveing core, (outside of Moss.) So I must Give props to JC because god know's I have trashed him so much this season, I know he won't be here next yr and I don't think he's a Legit starter in this league anyway, but still he has earned my props..

Thank God that there is some one out there who can still think for themselves and see what is true. I've ben saying all season that he's better than what people are giving him credit for. Is JC the best QB in the league, NO! Is JC the worst QB in the leageue, NO! The ignorant fans will miss what they had once it's gone.