Campbell's numbers dont lie

Campbell is on pace this type of season:

299 of 452 (66.1%) for 3,324 yards, 18 TDs and 14 INTs. QB rating of 87.9

It's another year of improvement, career highs in completion %, yards, QB rating, and TDs. All with a subpar offensive line.

So is this a guy we look to move on from? I'm on the fence.

He just doesn't make enough plays to win any games for us. I'd rather have a guy that throws more INt's but can give me 25+ td's. JC will never be that kind of guy. He's always going to have low td and int numbers. That's fine if we've got the Ravens defense of 2000. But we don't. Bring in some competition or let Colt compete for the job.

he's missed wide open receivers for TD passes while having ample protection from his o-line far too many times to continue to stick with. He's improved in some areas, but he continues to fumble too much, make poor decisions, and hold on to the ball too long. You put Patrick Ramsey behind a pro-bowl offensive line and he'd be a top 5 quarterback. I'm not kidding. Just about ANY QB can be pro-bowl caliber if his line is good, but that doesn't mean he's a great QB... just the beneficiay of 5 amazing guys protecting his butt. What we have, even with injuries, is a slightly below average offensive line that was average in the second half of last year and top5 in the first half of last year. Campbell hasnt gotten it done consistently no matter how good the o-line in front of him was playing.

Great quarterbacks can play well behind sub-par offensive lines. Look at what payton manning did in 2008 and what rothlesberger is doing now, as just two examples. You can make all the excuses you want for Campbell, but great quarterbacks make the players around them better, and Campbell hasnt done that and never will. Last year, i'd never heard of half the guys who are catching balls from manning now, but they all looked GREAT tonight. They'd look like doo-doo if Campbell was throwing to them.

Campbell isnt the only problem on our offense, but he's probably the biggest. He could go to the pro-bowl behind a great O-line, but it wouldnt be because he's a game winner. he's a game manager. Thats all he's ever been and that's all he'll ever be.
As documented earlier in this thread, Zorn calling plays 13.1 PPG, Lewis calling plays 20.3 PPG. Same QB but the offense improves by over a TD per game and he's the biggest problem? The OL isn't a bigger problem? Leading the league in drops isn't a bigger problem? JC is far, very far, from perfect but he's also far from our biggest offensive problem.

Teams win SB not individuals.

ah..but the question here is...can the right individual get the team over the hump to win the sb? I have no doubts all 55 men are needed...BUT when you have that one guy that is a true leader, that you truly truly believe can take you to the summit...it pushes you a little more.
This...is what jc lacks

It's funny that this discussion has become Jason Campbell Haters vs. People that think Jason Campbell is an average at best/mediocre all the time QB.

Jason Campbell haters are upset that JC is not having a horrible statistical season, and would like nothing more to rub it in to former Campbell supporters (notice that I said former). But when JC is having a pretty season statistically, it's really hard to completely rub it in...although once again, most supporters of JC are now former supporters.

JC haters also continue to make the indirect argument that Campbell is the only reason this team is in the shape it is right now, once again completely overlooking other aspects of the team that are completely wrong. Once again, they have the mentality that 1 good QB + sorry ass team = Championship.

As I said, I'm in the JC is an average at best/mediocre all the time QB. I don't think he's going to be back next year and wish him the best. That being said, I have enough of a brain to not babble that he's the doom of the Redskins, and ignore his stats. I also don't forget that the Redskins have never been a passing team, and the team has put all its eggs in the running game (Portis), and the defense (Haynesworth, Orakpo, etc., etc.).

If all of you that loathe Jason Campbell (because he's not Brady, Brees, or P. Manning) want to see a change, well then you better hope the team starts building up the offensive line, and spend a lot of resources on an elite QB. That hasn't been the philosophy, otherwise Gibbs would have not brought Brunnel.

So stop getting your panties in a bunch JC haters, don't forget that he will be gone next season, or at worst, he'll be carrying the clipboard as the 2nd stringer.

It's a QB league, just looking at the standings in no order

Tony Romo
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
P Manning
T Brady
Rivers
Orton
Favre
Ben R and McNabb are 2nd in their divisions

Orton is the guy that jumps out as the odd one there. All of the other teams....good/great QB's. Occasionally you'll get an Orton or a Dilfer. I'd rather win more often than occasionally. Let's look for a new QB that has the potential to be great.

It's a QB league, just looking at the standings in no order

Tony Romo
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
P Manning
T Brady
Rivers
Orton
Favre
Ben R and McNabb are 2nd in their divisions

Orton is the guy that jumps out as the odd one there. All of the other teams....good/great QB's. Occasionally you'll get an Orton or a Dilfer. I'd rather win more often than occasionally. Let's look for a new QB that has the potential to be great.

exactly. don't forget carson palmer.

It's a QB league, just looking at the standings in no order

Tony Romo
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
P Manning
T Brady
Rivers
Orton
Favre
Palmer
Ben R and McNabb are 2nd in their divisions

Orton is the guy that jumps out as the odd one there. All of the other teams....good/great QB's. Occasionally you'll get an Orton or a Dilfer. I'd rather win more often than occasionally. Let's look for a new QB that has the potential to be great.

So I guess it comes to this, if you plugged ANY of those QB on our current roster, system and organizational structure in a one for one trade, would they automatically make us a SB contender and would JC automatically make them an also ran?

You put Patrick Ramsey behind a pro-bowl offensive line and he'd be a top 5 quarterback. I'm not kidding. Just about ANY QB can be pro-bowl caliber if his line is good, but that doesn't mean he's a great QB... just the beneficiay of 5 amazing guys protecting his butt. What we have, even with injuries, is a slightly below average offensive line that was average in the second half of last year and top5 in the first half of last year. Campbell hasnt gotten it done consistently no matter how good the o-line in front of him was playing.


Tell that to Tavaris Jackson. Minnesota had a great defense, a great running game, and a very good OLine, but he still looked gawdawful. As far as not seeing wide open guys, every QB does that occasionally. Campbell does it more than most, but it takes time to get through reads that he often doesn't have.

I'm pretty much sitting on the fence with Campbell. I'm curious to see how he looks the rest of the way with Jones/Heyer at LT/RT (a big upgrade over Heyer/Williams), especially if Betts continues to start at RB. Either way, the OLine needs to be addressed before they go waste a high draft pick on a QB that will turn into David Carr 2.0 with the terrible line we have now.

Tell that to Tavaris Jackson. Minnesota had a great defense, a great running game, and a very good OLine, but he still looked gawdawful. As far as not seeing wide open guys, every QB does that occasionally. Campbell does it more than most, but it takes time to get through reads that he often doesn't have.

I'm pretty much sitting on the fence with Campbell. I'm curious to see how he looks the rest of the way with Jones/Heyer at LT/RT (a big upgrade over Heyer/Williams), especially if Betts continues to start at RB. Either way, the OLine needs to be addressed before they go waste a high draft pick on a QB that will turn into David Carr 2.0 with the terrible line we have now.I don't know why this isn't more glaringly obvious. Get the O-Line fixed before we worry about a QB. The line is horrible, if that's not fixed it doesn't matter who we put in the doggone pocket.

Still, I honestly believe Campbell is gone after the season regardless of how he looks over the next seven games (too much damage has been done, for his own good I think he should leave this club), and I honestly believe we are gonna waste a pick on a QB who will suffer behind another patchwork line in 2010.

Tell that to Tavaris Jackson. Minnesota had a great defense, a great running game, and a very good OLine, but he still looked gawdawful. As far as not seeing wide open guys, every QB does that occasionally. Campbell does it more than most, but it takes time to get through reads that he often doesn't have.

I'm pretty much sitting on the fence with Campbell. I'm curious to see how he looks the rest of the way with Jones/Heyer at LT/RT (a big upgrade over Heyer/Williams), especially if Betts continues to start at RB. Either way, the OLine needs to be addressed before they go waste a high draft pick on a QB that will turn into David Carr 2.0 with the terrible line we have now.

Like I said, Campbell will be gone next year...the question is whether the next FO will address the offensive line before or after addressing the QB position. I'm afraid that they'll have the mentality of some of the people here and bring in a first round QB instead of a first round tackle.

I don't know why this isn't more glaringly obvious. Get the O-Line fixed before we worry about a QB. The line is horrible, if that's not fixed it doesn't matter who we put in the doggone pocket.

Still, I honestly believe Campbell is gone after the season regardless of how he looks over the next seven games (too much damage has been done, for his own good I think he should leave this club), and I honestly believe we are gonna waste a pick on a QB who will suffer behind another patchwork line in 2010.

Well said, yet the JC haters a.k.a. min-Snyders for some reason think he'll be around.