Campbell's numbers dont lie

On one of the telecast a commentator said Zorn doesn't let JC call audibles. Is this true? If so that can explain a lot of the poor offensive performance.
This is correct as far as what I've heard.. that we don't have them in the offensive plan.

Did you see Soup on the ground in pain the other day?

That reminds me of Brunell. The only difference is that Brunell was smart enough to throw the ball away most of the time.

I used to hate him for that. Now I know why he did it. Who would want to take that kind of punishment?

OK, I get it, they're similar QBs because they both ended up on the ground a lot.

Fine assessment. :food-smil

It is what it is, why must ppl spend so much time defending a guy who wont be here next here? GB and TB have terrible Olines and are not so solid team wise yet they can still score points. Not sayin its all jc's fault but he is not playing like a 1st rounder should be.
First of all, we don't know he's gone. A lot of people would actually like to him stay another year IF the line is reinforced to see him play with a chance.

About playing like a first-rounder...how CAN he with the coaching and personnel around him. Vinny set up the team to fail around him, Zorn won't let Campbell take over and run the offense, plus he uses the entire offense improperly...and he has NO protection.

Campbell this year is looking like David Carr in the Houston years when he was sacked 50-60 times a year and had the skills but no chance to use them. With 25 sacks after 8 games already...17 in the last 4 and 11 in the last 2 games (they're increasing in frequency as the year progresses)...60 sacks could very well happen if he can physically survive until Week 17.

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.I was encouraged by the play Campbell made on the Yoder TD. He extended the play with his legs and threw an absolute strike. I wish that he would use his athletic ability more - he had some excellent runs when protection broke down and the Falcons were in man to man D.

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.

Would you keep him as a back up?

Would you keep him as a back up?Well, it'd probably change the tender amount. I don't think I'd have a situation where he was a non-tender (contrary to what I just said...I didn't mean literal non-tender, I meant no long term contract offer of any length), but what you can receive in a trade for a RFA is directly related to how much you're willing to pay for him.

If we tender him at the second round level, we can't expect to receive more than a fourth or best case a third for him. If we tender him at a first round level, we can probably get a second.

If he doesn't become a major ballholder, I'd be comfortable with him as our starter next year while we rebuild. If he does develop that tendency, I'd be more comfortable with him as a backup. I haven't made any conclusions yet, obviously, if he plays like he did in the Atlanta game the rest of the year, he'll end up somewhere as a starter next year.

The key for Campbell is to get sacked less in the second half of the year than the first. If he develops a major ball-holding tendency, I don't think I'd tender him a contract. The OL is going to be bad: we know that. Just get the ball out quickly.

About frigging time they moved the pocket around. There are ways to scheme around a poor Offensive line. I've been saying it here for over a year, damnit! They finally showed it in the second half. Roll out Campbell, throw screens, run draws, etc. You can't eliminate all sacks, but what team can?

I really like the shotgun look within the 5. About damn time for that as well. Must be a Sherm thang.

Would you keep him as a back up?

I would keep him, and let him compete for the starting job. Hell, give him the starting job. Don't they just have to match the best offer for him? Shouldn't be that much. Draft a QB, rebuild the O line, get some running backs and hire a new coaching staff. Campbell may come out of nowhere next year and make fools out of his detractors, myself included. Maybe we end up with 2 starting caliber QBs on the roster. Not a bad position to be in. I wouldn't let Campbell walk if it doesn't cost an arm and a leg to keep him here.

Stats are wonderful, they never lie... they will tell whatever story you want them to simply by using the ones you like and omitting the ones you don't. So they don't lie... but they are the favored tool of people who want to establish a conclusion that flies in the face of simple observation.

I observe (simply) that JC is overly cautious and hesitant (even when his line has been healthy) to make longer throws, so he checks down too quickly and throws the ball to safe outlet receivers too often, and that along with west coast short pass play calling handily accounts for his higher than expected completion percentage... This explanation seems far more plausible than suggesting he's actually among the best QB's in the league when he very plainly isn't. His completion % is also helped by the 3 or 4 sacks per game where he could have thrown it away. When you throw around 30 times a game 3 or 4 incompletions is a significant number.

He has a ponderous wind up, that leads to fumbles and jumped routes... he is not nearly as mobile as people give him credit for. He holds the ball too long, and he doesn't throw it away even when he can legally do so outside the tackles. He looks at the rush, instead of down field. He has ZERO pocket presence, he hears "footsteps" and steps into sacks while avoiding phantoms that aren't there... The line is awful, but he had these same issues in past seasons when the line was much better.

He is sorely lacking in fundamentals such at ball control when he's moving, and taking the snap. We've seen him coached to keep the ball high and tight to his chest with both hands when he drops back... But he always reverts back to one handing the ball down at his hips, gunslinger style. This significantly increases his already long wind up, and makes him an easy target for sack/fumbles. He appears to be hard to coach, or not smart enough to be coached, because he surely has had this drilled into him by now (along with all the other sloppy fundamentals he can't seem to shake)

And yes his WR core is thin, his O-line is old and patchwork... But in the past even when he has played his best he is a mediocre QB who starts slow and doesn't play well until the second half of games. At his best (so far) Physically he looks slower and less confident than the career backup behind him. Under current circumstances he of course looks even worse.

I'm talking about how he moves, how he takes snaps, how he throws and drops back, how he sets himself, how he carries the ball, how long he holds it... These are not rocket science and they will tell you a whole crap load more about Jason Campbell than any statistic can.

All of this is ignoring important aspects such as leadership among the players and on field trust with his coaches there's a rumor that they don't allow him to audible(!) and while he'll still have "automatics" or "hot reads" that says a lot about his ability to read defenses.