Campbell's numbers dont lie


Redskin Warrior
10-31-2009, 12:49 PM
This probably is all true, but when do you hold him accountable for his own actions and the mistakes that was under his control?

I do hold him accountable for overthrows, running into sacks, going threw his progressions to fast, but that doesn't stop me from supporting him. All QB do these things but it's pointed out more when you are on a losing team. JC deserves some criticism but not all of the criticism WR's, RB's, OL, TE's need to come out and say ok we realize our QB is struggling and obviously he doesn't trust us to an extent what can we do better. I realize this comes with the territory but if his teammates come to bat for him and publicly endorse and support him like they did Zorn. I feel that would show JC were not using you as a scapegoat we haven't giving up on you even if they have.

30gut
10-31-2009, 01:32 PM
but if his teammates come to bat for him and publicly endorse and support him like they did Zorn. I feel that would show JC were not using you as a scapegoat we haven't giving up on you even if they have.

I think to a man JC's teammates support him.
I think the people that don't support him are the FO and quasi-fans.

44Deezel
10-31-2009, 02:02 PM
I believe that is due in part because he is pressing. He is trying to make things happen because the offense in general is so stagnate. I can't say that I blame Campbell. You want to stand tall in the pocket, but when you get sacked 6 times and you are probably hit more than double that it is hard to not try and make something happen.

No he's not. In the first half of the Philly game, there were 2 or 3 plays where he had all day to throw, and instead of going downfield, he either checked down or threw to the flat. If he was desperately trying to make something happen, he would have said eff it and let 'er rip. Even during the best streak of his career, the 6-2 start last year, he threw 8 TDs in 8 games. Big whoop. Aside from Brad Johnson and Trent Green, we've started back-up quality QBs for well over a decade now.

44Deezel
10-31-2009, 02:08 PM
You guys are funny. Look at the league, ever successful QB, except Flacco and Ryan have been in the same Offensive system for long periods of time. Changing everything every year has not worked yet nor will it ever. The longer the QB is in the same system the more successful he is...look it up.

And look how terrible Brees was when he went to the Saints from the Chargers. It took him a good 5 years to get acclimated. And remember how Brady came in for Bledsoe and screwed everything up. They could have gone far in the playoffs that year if only Brady had more time to learn the system. Pennington sucked last year too when he went to the Dolphins. It's all about time in the system. I agree.

44Deezel
10-31-2009, 02:11 PM
New QB means at least two more years of losing. New QB + learning a new Offense + bad O-Line = New Coach which brings us to our current position again.

It's OK. I don't think fans care so much about losing, as long as they're building up to something. I'd gladly suffer through a 3 year re-building process if it meant we were a perennial contender for the next 10-15 years and had a true franchise QB we never had to bicker about.

warriorzpath
10-31-2009, 04:49 PM
Awful pocket presence leading to undue pressure? Really? You think JC is causing the pressure and sacks? Okay.
LoL, JC pocket presence or lack thereof at the start of the game is due to previous games lack of protection.
Although JC had pressure the fumble was his fault the onus is always on the ball carrier to protect the ball.
Missed 'big' play? Dude, every QB misses some plays, they pointed out McNabb missing a 'big' play.


I started to express some points to counter your responses with all that you said (and not what I have just quoted you on), but I feel like I'm repeating myself.

All I want to ask to you is - do you agree with some others on here that jason campbell is playing very well this season?

Then I can see where you're at in the way you are thinking.

tryfuhl
10-31-2009, 05:03 PM
I think to a man JC's teammates support him.
I think the people that don't support him are the FO and quasi-fans.
Are you his agent?

30gut
11-01-2009, 03:43 PM
I started to express some points to counter your responses with all that you said (and not what I have just quoted you on), but I feel like I'm repeating myself.

All I want to ask to you is - do you agree with some others on here that jason campbell is playing very well this season?

Then I can see where you're at in the way you are thinking.


JC is the 18th ranked QB in the NFL.

JC is playing about as well as can be expected given the circumstances.

Being the QB for this Redskins team with the OL issues, lack of a ground game and suspect coaching/playcalling is not conducive to playing very well.

Barring a strong second half (not just stats but with wins and a general upward trend of the team), JC will be starting for someone next year.

30gut
11-01-2009, 03:44 PM
Are you his agent?

Are you a troll?

tryfuhl
11-01-2009, 03:46 PM
Are you a troll?
Are you mad and have an inflated ego?

Systems don't make you inaccurate, being inaccurate does.

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