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skinsfan69 09-29-2009, 02:05 PM I guess you're just gonna run with that take all year. He's in the same shape he was in while with the Titans, and he's played over 70% of the snaps this year.
I don't have a problem w/ Haynesworth. He's over paid and a bit out of shape but he's honestly not where the problem lies. If you think he's in shape then so be it.
wilsowilso 09-29-2009, 02:08 PM I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.
I have no idea why you are trying to defend the play of the defense?
They are playing like a bunch of clowns probably because they are coached by a clown, but with that amount of talent they should be ashamed of themselves.
They stink.
London Fletcher is the only player who gets a complete free pass because he is and always has been a beast.
GTripp0012 09-29-2009, 02:19 PM I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.New theory: you are Greg Blache.
Points are a stat, dude. I know how much it pains you to admit when I'm right, but we actually probably agree on more things than you think (Namely, that the defense has fundamental talent flaws).
But that doesn't mean Blache (you?) is doing a great job. He's not.
Slingin Sammy 33 09-29-2009, 03:34 PM I've listened to Doc Walker, Trevor Matich, B Mitch. But honestly I don't need to listen to them to know that even though the defense has looked spotty and isn't getting off the field we haven't given up a lot of points. And I really don't care about stats. Stats are for losers IMO. The bottom line is are teams scoring a ton of points on us? That was the case in 06. Have we given up 30 points to anyone? It's bend but don't break. I wish we had a defense like Balt or Pitts but we don't.If you make arguments based on generalities with no evidence to back them up then I guess there's no need for stats.
Stats are a record of what happened in each game, stats by themselves don't tell much, it's the interpretation of these stats that's important. For example, as you stated the D isn't getting off the field. Time of Possession and 3rd down % (worst in NFL) back that up. More importantly is "Why?".
I've been taking much more time this week looking at the game and I will be posting my thoughts tomorrow. But from what I've seen so far, a great deal of what is wrong with the defense has to do with Blache and his scheme rather than talent level. A "bend but don't break" D is not what this team needs. You play a bend don't break when your talent level across the board is sub-par from your opponent and you have no choice but to try to hold in the RZ where it's tougher on the O.
Sub-par talent across the board isn't the case with the Redskins. We have Pro Bowl caliber players up the middle at each level.
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32217-greg-blache-needs-to-held-accountable-2.html#post597944
FWIW, here's what I thought after the Giants. From looking at the first half of the Lions game (I'll finish the rest tonight) it appears it's more of the same:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31978-interesting-read-on-our-secondary-philosophy.html#post590762
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31953-defensive-review-giants.html#post590657
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31953-defensive-review-giants.html#post590535
So you don't think I'm just bashing Blache, here's my thoughts on the Rams game:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32069-slingin-sammy-33s-good-bad-ugly.html#post593263
skinsfan69 09-29-2009, 03:51 PM New theory: you are Greg Blache.
Points are a stat, dude. I know how much it pains you to admit when I'm right, but we actually probably agree on more things than you think (Namely, that the defense has fundamental talent flaws).
But that doesn't mean Blache (you?) is doing a great job. He's not.
LOL. No I'm not Greg Blache. I think his defense sucked on Sun. He needs to make adjustments. I never said he did a great job did I? However points is THE MOST IMPORTANT stat in football. Cause how much you score and how much you give up determines if you win or not. And although the defense sucked they gave up 19 points. I expect our offense to score more than that against Det. I expect our offense to score TD's when they have the ball on the 2 YARD LINE. Now I realize Det. played keep away but that's no excuse. Miami played keep away from Indy last week and Indy STILL WON. Explain that to me please???? To me it's still goes back to the same old thing. The defense bends and rarely breaks and the offense can't score TD's. And you can twist it anyway you want with your nerdy stats, but what I'm saying is the truth and that shows up in the MOST IMPORTANT STAT.... points scored vs. points given up.
skinsfan69 09-29-2009, 03:53 PM If you make arguments based on generalities with no evidence to back them up then I guess there's no need for stats.
Stats are a record of what happened in each game, stats by themselves don't tell much, it's the interpretation of these stats that's important. For example, as you stated the D isn't getting off the field. Time of Possession and 3rd down % (worst in NFL) back that up. More importantly is "Why?".
I've been taking much more time this week looking at the game and I will be posting my thoughts tomorrow. But from what I've seen so far, a great deal of what is wrong with the defense has to do with Blache and his scheme rather than talent level. A "bend but don't break" D is not what this team needs. You play a bend don't break when your talent level across the board is sub-par from your opponent and you have no choice but to try to hold in the RZ where it's tougher on the O.
Sub-par talent across the board isn't the case with the Redskins. We have Pro Bowl caliber players up the middle at each level.
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32217-greg-blache-needs-to-held-accountable-2.html#post597944
FWIW, here's what I thought after the Giants. From looking at the first half of the Lions game (I'll finish the rest tonight) it appears it's more of the same:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31978-interesting-read-on-our-secondary-philosophy.html#post590762
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31953-defensive-review-giants.html#post590657
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/31953-defensive-review-giants.html#post590535
So you don't think I'm just bashing Blache, here's my thoughts on the Rams game:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/32069-slingin-sammy-33s-good-bad-ugly.html#post593263
Who are they?
Slingin Sammy 33 09-29-2009, 04:00 PM Who are they?
Read the link.
firstdown 09-29-2009, 04:18 PM Read the link.
I think you have forgotten more about football then I have ever known. Love reading your post and learning more about the game. Do you or have you coached or played alot of football?
tryfuhl 09-29-2009, 04:35 PM Oh ok. I think they all played NFL football and have more knowledge than people around here do. And just cause some of you watch film doesn't mean you know what your talking about, or know the details of the schemes. Everyone just wants to cry about the coaching, which could be better. But the real problem is we just don't have the players. But no one wants to hear that.
You think that these announcers and studio guys sit there and break down every game and retain that knowledge throughout the season?
And what makes you the expert on which it is, the players or the coaches? By your theory ex-NFL players would make the best coaches too but we've all seen differently.
Slingin Sammy 33 09-29-2009, 04:56 PM I think you have forgotten more about football then I have ever known. Love reading your post and learning more about the game. Do you or have you coached or played alot of football?I appreciate the kind words. I've played and/or coached for over 20 years after HS. Never played at any college or pro level (just semi-pro, AF team). I've coached at the HS-level.
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