The Redskins Are Close

can I point out that minus JCs fumble, our offense did score more than the Giants.

Feel free to do that.

But you then have to take our fake FG TD play out of our offensive points equation. They then beat us 16-10.

If that was true then this would have happened...Redskins score > Giants score

...being that it didn't I'd say your narrative is the one that is inaccurate.Nope. You can't draw that conclusion strictly from the premises I gave. You also have to assume extra information.

The premises I gave are as follows, in case you missed it:

1) The Giants defense is not in the business of handing out chunks of yards for free. Large chunks of yards are earned.

2) Redskins, with the whole game as evidence, moved the ball through the air with relative ease. Therefore, Redskins passing offense > Giants passing defense.

The conclusion I'm making is that what happened between 3:00 and 1:30 in this game is not at all surprising, given the way the rest of the game had gone. It also ended up being irrelevant. But you didn't and couldn't have concluded at the time that it was irrelivant. Therefore, you can't assume what you are assuming about the TD not mattering.

Note that nowhere did I suggest that the Giants weren't the better team, only that, I'm not seeing the dominance you were.

Feel free to do that.

But you then have to take our fake FG TD play out of our offensive points equation. They then beat us 16-10.

But that is still better than allowing them to put up 32 points as the Cowboys did. Moral victories don't count, but this is a Giants team that many are arguing to be the best team in football right now.

Feel free to do that.

But you then have to take our fake FG TD play out of our offensive points equation. They then beat us 16-10.

That's hardly dominant is it Tee?

lol...No...of course not. Why would I want them to suck?

I'm not saying they're going to lose this Sunday...they're playing the Lions for god sakes.

But everyone, including me, is seriously considering that they will struggle against the 0-18 lions when they do play. What is the expectation on the year if we struggle against the lions on Sunday?...It doesn't take the finest football minds to tell you that playing out of the gate this season we're not built to last or to win.

That's probably why there is a hint of salt to my replies.

I don't think that's really a fair statement. We have youth at the DL, OL(yes there is youth there), WR's, CB's, QB, Safeties. Now in terms of built to win, again, I am the optimist that says our qb has a very good pass completion percent, low int rate. our DL should be fierce as it gets on the same page. And Kelly/ARE/Cooley may become a triple threat receiving.

Obviously built to win, they need to prove that. But built to last, if our owner doesn't listen to the fan hacks, and instead stays patient, this team has a lot of youth that is capable of being together for many years.

Feel free to do that.

But you then have to take our fake FG TD play out of our offensive points equation. They then beat us 16-10.

Why do I have to take that out? the fake FG was at the end of a 50+ yard sustained drive, not a one play fumble recovery td. Just because zorn aggressively went for the TD and got it doesn't negate the drive that got us to that point does it?

Nope. You can't draw that conclusion strictly from the premises I gave. You also have to assume extra information.

The premises I gave are as follows, in case you missed it:

1) The Giants defense is not in the business of handing out chunks of yards for free. Large chunks of yards are earned.

2) Redskins, with the whole game as evidence, moved the ball through the air with relative ease. Therefore, Redskins passing offense > Giants passing defense.

The conclusion I'm making is that what happened between 3:00 and 1:30 in this game is not at all surprising, given the way the rest of the game had gone. It also ended up being irrelevant. But you didn't and couldn't have concluded at the time that it was irrelivant. Therefore, you can't assume what you are assuming about the TD not mattering.

Note that nowhere did I suggest that the Giants weren't the better team, only that, I'm not seeing the dominance you were.

Since this is our fastest TD drive to date, please reference the time of possession of any other TD scoring drive from this present year.


To say the Giants weren't playing soft with less than 3 minutes on the clock and up by two TD scores...you're just making trivial excuses.

Man remember a couple of years ago Tanna ate the Chiefs up with the screen pass? Was Herm Edwards the coach then?

78 yards I believe. I was thinking of that play today. They need to throw it early to get Santana in the game. I'm not buying all the crap about him being doubled. Every good WR sees double teams. He's a playmaker. They need to get him the ball, period. I don't care if he's quadruple-teamed.

That's hardly dominant is it Tee?

When we score 7 of those 10 in the last 1 minute and half of the game it is.

We didn't even threaten scores at any time during the game. To me it didn't seem like the Skins were in the game at all.

Do any of you remember cheering during that game. At home for me it was sparse with the people I was watching it with. I'm sure I wasn't the only one.

From ESPN
Giants game
Time Qtr length start plays yards result
02:11 2 01:50 WAS 23 7 77 Touchdown