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Rajmahal33 09-19-2009, 09:25 AM The whole "past QB's from UF didnt do well so that means other wont" arguement is pretty stupid to me. Joe Montana came from ND, does this mean that ND churns out top NFL QB's every few yrs? NO.
I agree that UF hasnt put a great QB in the NFL to this point but it doesnt mean that all future UF QB's are destined to bust in the pros. I like Tebow, i think he is a great player. Im not saying he will come in and be the next Marino but i think he can be a solid player.
I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...
By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.
Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?
CRedskinsRule 09-19-2009, 11:39 AM I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...
By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.
Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?
That was an excellent demonstration of critical thinking - (that is a good thing!)
GTripp0012 09-19-2009, 02:04 PM I think what he was saying with the past QB's from UF flopping implies a trend of something in their system that creates a propensity for failure at the NFL level...to add to his list, Rex Grossman, Chris Leak...
By arguing the negative as a counterpoint (i.e. Notre Dame + Joe Montana = QB factory) you are committing a logical fallacy. Just b/c one implies the other doesn't mean the opposite is true.
Look, I think a much more sound way of debunking that past UF QB's theory is by arguing that the success rate of ANY college QB is low and since UF players have that much more national exposure and hype coming into the draft, the failures of their QB's tend to be magnified. However, it is somewhat telling that there is a pretty long line of failures with very few success stories to balance the equation. Compound that with the fact that they get some real quality guys coming out of high school and, statistically speaking, one would figure at least one of those guys would be a real hit. Thus far it hasn't happened, IMO, but that's not to say it won't ever happen. Who knows maybe over the next decade they could churn out QB's like USC did in the last decade?Excellent argument, Rajmahal.
They came from the U, I'm talking about Gator QB's.
just.......testing
jsarno 09-19-2009, 02:47 PM I'm starting to believe Tebow is the real deal. This kid has a TON of skills...sure he's not "NFL ready", but seriously...who is in terms of QB's leaving college?
Let me point out some stats:
14 tds, 12 ints, 2971 passing yards, 60% comp, 80.3 qb rating in 16 games started...
13 tds, 6 ints, 3245 passing yards, 62.3% comp, 84.3 qb rating in 16 games started...
16 tds, 11 ints, 3440 passing yards, 61.1% comp, 87.7 qb rating in 16 games started...
Do you know who belongs to those numbers?
1- Flacco
2- Campbell
3- Ryan
Ryan was the best of the bunch by most accounts, Campbell not that far behind, and Flacco pulling up the rear. Yet most would regard Campbell as a bust, or nothing special. Fact is, Ryan had one of the most prolific running games in the NFL, and Flacco had a great defense, and good overall team around him. They both had 11 wins so they got a ton of publicity...same with campbell if he had 11 wins. Point is, everyone talks about flacco and ryan like they are the second coming of well, peyton manning...they are not. Flacco is not going to be a super special qb...ryan is more like a hasselbeck type qb, which is good. Players like Ryan don't come around all the time. Players like Tebow don't either. He has the entire package including amazing elusive skills. He is a GREAT leader as well. With a little NFL coaching, Tebow could be the next Steve Young.
jsarno 09-19-2009, 02:52 PM Let me point out, I am NOT ready to trade in Campbell for Tebow right now...but I certainly reserve that right come season's end. Either Campbell produces THIS year, or it's time for him to go. He still has a leash in my mind, but a short one.
Carnage 09-19-2009, 04:43 PM The Danny already tried a hotshot Gators coach with a spread offense run by his college QBs. Run away from that notion. Far, far away.
Does the Danny learn from his mistakes? I have seen no evidence of this.
Kalisto2010 09-19-2009, 07:01 PM Watching Florida play right now. Tebow has 94 yards passing against the unranked Vols. He's choosing to run the ball instead of finding an open receiver on most plays. Colt McCoy's game is better suited for the NFL. He can make all of the throws and he has excellent mobility.
This morning I heard Colt on ESPN talk about how it's his dream to play for the Dallas Cowboys. And I said to myself "To bad MF your going to the Skins b*tch, how's that for a dream".
Dirtbag59 09-19-2009, 07:25 PM Let me point out, I am NOT ready to trade in Campbell for Tebow right now...but I certainly reserve that right come season's end. Either Campbell produces THIS year, or it's time for him to go. He still has a leash in my mind, but a short one.
These next few weeks are going to be dangerous as it relates to fans perception of Campbell as I think he's going to do good very good the next few weeks, and as a result people will start talking about Campbell as the next franchise QB. His only early test will be Carolina and then his first definite test will be against the Eagles on the 26th of October and the Falcons the following week (though that might be more of a test for defense). How he ends the season against the Giants, Cowboys, and Chargers will really determine what we have in Campbell.
These next three weeks on the other hand should serve as more of a field sobriety test in that he better have a rating over 90 with at least 6 TD passes and 600 yards. Of course more importantly we should win thanks to him not in spite of him.
Lotus 09-19-2009, 08:19 PM Tebow in the NFL will be like a bad relationship.
You know the story. The woman looks really good, she performs well, and there is so much promise that you hook up.
Later, your heart is broken, the promise turned out to be empty, and you can barely look at her anymore.
Just say no to Tebow.
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