You Win as a Team and You Lose as One - Discipline Issues

Great Post Ruh. The problem is no one in the organization has the balls to implement any kind of dicispline. My thought to this end is that Jim Zorn is trying so hard to constantly win the team over to his style of coaching that he lacks a certain amount of respect among the players. To that end he will not be able to practice good discipline when he is constantly trying to remain on the god side of his team. This is one fundamental flaw JZ has as a head coach.

god=good.. once again I have made this mistake. :)

Excellent post. I completely agree. Players should be fined for every penalty in practice or in games as a way of creating greater discipline.


I like that idea, many coaches probably feel the same way, but the union would have a lot to say about that one.

Excellent observation. I dont see Zorn being that type of disciplinary coach, and he seems like he has too much on his plate to worry about penalties. Blache seems like he will kick the defense's ass for their stupid mistakes and lack of focus. A couple of comments about Landry up above I see, which I think are appropriate. He needs to wrap up when he tackles and not lead with his head down.

Great Post Ruh. The problem is no one in the organization has the balls to implement any kind of dicispline. My thought to this end is that Jim Zorn is trying so hard to constantly win the team over to his style of coaching that he lacks a certain amount of respect among the players. To that end he will not be able to practice good discipline when he is constantly trying to remain on the god side of his team. This is one fundamental flaw JZ has as a head coach.

I see it differently. This isn't a JZ problem. It's an organizational problem. There are a few players that have the ear of upper management IMO. I don't have proof, but this is what I've heard from past players. This is also how it appears to me.

Zorn should've been the man to stick foot to ass. He's more than capable of doing it. Have you noticed his demeanor this year? It's Mr. Nice Guy now. The fire is gone. Clinton Portis should've benched for talking trash about his coach. Santana Moss should've been fined and benched for punching that guy in the helmet. Did it happen?

It was the same way with Joe. Joe is a notorious coddler though. Look at the rat faced brat he has racing for him. I'm not bad mouthing Joe. He just very, Christian. That's who he is. He had to eat a lot of crow because of these players. That's why he's gone. Don't believe that BS about his grandson. He's out there with his race team all the time, February through November.

They could've had a foot to ass coach. He was actually the only person I think that wanted the job, Greg Williams. The point is upper management powder puffs the players. On Sundays that's who we see, softies. Not every player fits that mold, but too many do.

I like that idea, many coaches probably feel the same way, but the union would have a lot to say about that one.

Fining players for penalties has been practiced before and I'll bet some squad is doing it now. At the end of the year the fine money is given to charity. Then it becomes hard for even the union to complain.

After seeing many rants about the same tired old criticisms (Snyder sucks/Vinny sucks - very original), people faulting one player or one unit for the loss, I want to bring up an underlying issue that set the tone for our team's loss on Sunday...team discipline.

The criticisms of upper management that you call "tired" only seem that way to you because the long list of mistakes made by Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato are one of the few constants of Snyder's reign as the owner of the Redskins. Naturally, those of us who believe that it all starts at the top are going to bring this up over and over again because the issue never goes away. It is the elephant in the room and it cannot be ignored.

Let me ask you this. Does it make any sense to you whatsoever that Dan Snyder would hire Joe Gibbs to establish a culture of winning at Redskins Park by building a coaching staff, roster, and style of play that could be carried into the future and then, when Joe left, not hire someone from the Gibbs coaching tree to carry the work forward? I think that was a huge mistake by Snyder that made virtually everything that Gibbs did for the Redskins a waste of time and effort.

Having the foundation built for him by Joe Gibbs and then moving away from that by hiring someone from another coaching tree was an act of extreme hubris on Snyder's part. I remember that, when Gibbs left, Snyder was asked during a press conference what he learned from Joe Gibbs. After a long pause, he finally said "patience". The truth is he learned next to nothing.

Anything that goes wrong during Zorn's tenure is ultimately the fault of Dan Snyder because he's the man that blew up the foundation Joe Gibbs built for him.

Well, you are delusional if you believe that Snyder is going away anytime soon. Unless there is an untimely death, he is here to stay. Owenership of the Reskins is not some political office that you get to vote for. You just have to suck it up and hope that someday that he puts it all together. With that being said, I believe that it is reasonable to expect more professionalism from those players on the field and the coaching regardless of who the owner of the team is.

As a coach you either have to make a decision, either get your players in line and keep your job or you can play kiss ass and lose it. As the old cliche goes if you want to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs. The coaching staff cannot be affraid of breaking some of Mr. Snyders prized eggs to serve him his omelet.

Well, you are delusional if you believe that Snyder is going away anytime soon. Unless there is an untimely death, he is here to stay. Owenership of the Reskins is not some political office that you get to vote for. You just have to suck it up and hope that someday that he puts it all together. With that being said, I believe that it is reasonable to expect more professionalism from those players on the field and the coaching regardless of who the owner of the team is.

As a coach you either have to make a decision, either get your players in line and keep your job or you can play kiss ass and lose it. As the old cliche goes if you want to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs. The coaching staff cannot be affraid of breaking some of Mr. Snyders prized eggs to serve him his omelet.

I wrote nothing to suggest that Snyder would ever go away or that I had any say in his tenure as the owner of the Redskins. You made that up all by yourself.

Where did you get the idea that Zorn is kissing the players' posteriors? I don't sense that. Besides, I don't see lack of discipline as Zorn's problem.

The primary problem for Zorn is that he is running a dinky offense that he makes worse with his atrocious play calling. The D played well enough to win but the O didn't get the job done.

Still, I can't blame Zorn too much. He's trying very hard. He can't help it that he's over his head in a job that he never should have been hired to do in the first place.

The criticisms of upper management that you call "tired" only seem that way to you because the long list of mistakes made by Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato are one of the few constants of Snyder's reign as the owner of the Redskins. Naturally, those of us who believe that it all starts at the top are going to bring this up over and over again because the issue never goes away. It is the elephant in the room and it cannot be ignored.

Let me ask you this. Does it make any sense to you whatsoever that Dan Snyder would hire Joe Gibbs to establish a culture of winning at Redskins Park by building a coaching staff, roster, and style of play that could be carried into the future and then, when Joe left, not hire someone from the Gibbs coaching tree to carry the work forward? I think that was a huge mistake by Snyder that made virtually everything that Gibbs did for the Redskins a waste of time and effort.

Having the foundation built for him by Joe Gibbs and then moving away from that by hiring someone from another coaching tree was an act of extreme hubris on Snyder's part. I remember that, when Gibbs left, Snyder was asked during a press conference what he learned from Joe Gibbs. After a long pause, he finally said "patience". The truth is he learned next to nothing.

Anything that goes wrong during Zorn's tenure is ultimately the fault of Dan Snyder because he's the man that blew up the foundation Joe Gibbs built for him.

I think that the point is that Danny is with us to stay so complaining about him serves no purpose. We might as well find other things to talk about because ripping Danny, even if he merits it, is a pointless exercise.