Defense = Disappointment

sandtrapjack, we don't like haters around here. You'll see Fat Albert up and personal real soon when he blows up that O-line of yours.

The biggest disappointment from yesterday's defensive showing is this:


The Skins spent big time $$$ and draft picks on the defensive side of the ball in the off-season and what they got for that was what we saw last year.



With 9 minutes (approx) to play and trailing by 10, the Skins punted the ball to the Giants in Giants' terriroty. What they needed from the defense there was a "3-and-out". Get the ball back; get one score and the game is in reach with a field goal and a TD.

What did they get? They got a defense that let the Giants drive the ball for 6 minutes (approx) and kick another field goal. That meant they needed two TDs to win and had only about 3 and a half minutes to make that happen.

That same kind of play happened about three or four times last year. It is not a recipe for winning enough football games to make it ot the playoffs. I was expecting better this year.

Thanks for playing; what parting gifts do we have for our defense, Charles...?

^Well, we have a big fat game check and another chance of winning a football game next week.

Ratliff was a 7th rounder and did not get a 100 million dollar contract with 41 Mill garaunteed. And he has been to just as many pro bowls as the 100 milllion dollar Haynesworth.

Oh and you forgot to add a 34-21 victory.

Just saying you could have gotten the same production for less cap money is all.

Just making a point that you can't quote a couple of stats and say someone's gotta step it up. Obviously, Ratliff isn't getting paid the money Haynesworth is.

If you want to start a thread about AH being worth 40 mill guaranteed, start one. That's another story. AH played pretty damn well yesterday. BTW...the Bucs aren't close to the NY Giants.

sandtrapjack, we don't like haters around here. You'll see Fat Albert up and personal real soon when he blows up that O-line of yours.My intention was not to hijack this thread, and I am not trying to smack talk. I am also not saying that AH was a bad investment. Is it too early to tell after one game? Of course!

All I said was he needs to step it up to be worth the money that was shelled out to him.

And personally am not worried about AH when he goes up against Gurode. We all know what happened last time Gurode and Haynesworth played against one another.

AH stomped on Gurodes face earning himself a 4 game suspension and Gurode 18 stiches. But even Haynesworth admitted that the reason he did it was he was "frustrated".

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.

My intention was not to hijack this thread, and I am not trying to smack talk. I am also not saying that AH was a bad investment. Is it too early to tell after one game? Of course!

All I said was he needs to step it up to be worth the money that was shelled out to him.

And personally am not worried about AH when he goes up against Gurode. We all know what happened last time Gurode and Haynesworth played against one another.

AH stomped on Gurodes face earning himself a 4 game suspension and Gurode 18 stiches. But even Haynesworth admitted that the reason he did it was he was "frustrated".

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.

I very much doubt Gurode can handle him all by himself. I'd love to see 1-on-1 match up there. BTW, how many of Fat Albert's tackles from yesterday were for a loss?

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.

Dallas has a lot of very talented players, but IMO Gurode is not an elite center. For starters, he is God awful at getting Romo the ball when he's in shotgun. Last season alone I must have seen half a dozen balls snapped at Romo's face or over his head.

I very much doubt Gurode can handle him all by himself. I'd love to see 1-on-1 match up there. BTW, how many of Fat Albert's tackles from yesterday were for a loss?
Uh he already HAS handled him all by himself. The result....Haynesworth suspended.....Gurode Pro Bowl.

Really, the only difference between Eli and Jason Campbell at this point in their careers is that Eli is better in the pocket. He moves better, and does better with the pocket collapsing around him.

Otherwise, they are very similar players.

Ummm Eli has led a team through the playoffs to win a superbowl. Eli actually led a team that was a heavy underdog to beat one of the best NFL teams of all time in media frenzy New York, where people and teammates (Tiki) who criticized him and his ability to win regularly. Eli led one of the greatest drives in Superbowl history. That is a huge difference to me that favors Eli. Leadership and the ability to rally your team to a win...Never seen it in JC. JC couldnt rally the team when they were spiralling to the basement in the division last year. He couldnt put the team on his shoulders and make people around him better. He needs this ability, this confidence in a big win...hopefully he finds it. Big Ben isnt what I consider a great QB by his stats, but his leadership ability and his ability to just get the win puts him in the conversation every year.

Ummm Eli has led a team through the playoffs to win a superbowl. Eli actually led a team that was a heavy underdog to beat one of the best NFL teams of all time in media frenzy New York, where people and teammates (Tiki) who criticized him and his ability to win regularly. Eli led one of the greatest drives in Superbowl history. That is a huge difference to me that favors Eli. Leadership and the ability to rally your team to a win...Never seen it in JC. JC couldnt rally the team when they were spiralling to the basement in the division last year. He couldnt put the team on his shoulders and make people around him better. He needs this ability, this confidence in a big win...hopefully he finds it. Big Ben isnt what I consider a great QB by his stats, but his leadership ability and his ability to just get the win puts him in the conversation every year.

If Campbell hasn't learned to move around in the pocket yet, he never will. Pocket awareness is pretty important. I also don't recall seeing Eli audible to a running play on 3rd and 8. When teams have taken away the run, Eli has proven plenty capable of shouldering the load (see game 2 against the Skins last year. We played the run and he carved us up with the pass). JC may improve one day, but he's not as good as Eli at this point.