'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly

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JWsleep
09-14-2009, 03:01 PM
Yep, I'm with you here. Time to dump the delusion that we're a power running team. We haven't been that way since Riggins retired.

We have all these receivers, two pass catching tight ends, and a running back that can block. Even though the deep accuracy isn't always there, we have a QB with an arm like a howitzer. Put Campbell in the shotgun and throw it 65% of the time. Run the ball to change it up and to put away the oppenent with a safe lead. But throw the damn ball, and throw it with purpose.

Right on. Just what I'd like to see.

44Deezel
09-14-2009, 03:03 PM
Has anyone stopped to consider the possibility that the Giants aren't that good? They were 1-3 to finish last season and haven't done much to upgrade their personnel, although we made their Wide Receivers look like pro-bowlers. I saw lots of comments predicting the demise of the Giants due the loss of Plaxico (which I didn't buy for a second... or the junk about Romo missing TO for that matter, but whatever).

What if the Skins just got beaten up by an 8-8 or 9-7 team?

44Deezel
09-14-2009, 03:25 PM
Right on. Just what I'd like to see.

Romo connected on a 70 yard TD pass to Roy Williams and the ball only traveled through the air around 15 yards. We don't need to throw the ball 50-70 yards in the air to have a big play. Everything seems to be either a 5-10 yard dink or a bomb that misses terribly. Where's are the intermediate plays? The YAC?

SBXVII
09-14-2009, 03:27 PM
Campbell wasn't exactly running for his life this afternoon. Yeah, they got to him a couple of times, but the fumble by Umenyora was more a product of Jason holding the ball too long.

Seemed like the protection was basically there today.

Exactly. I think someone pointed out that there was only 2 sacks and none from Heyer's side. Touche', good job O-line. But, ......how many rush's were there? or close sacks? It seemed like all game I kept saying "get rid of the ball", "get rid of the ball."

In a nutshell I expected the Skins to be better then the Giants. I bought in to the fact the Giants have no WR's, they have key injuries, our O-line was boosted, and we have better weapons this yr. Totally bought it. Sold. I still don't think the Giants are better, I think the Skins allowed them to physically man handle them to get them off their game. Moss was upset, Landry was upset, just to name a couple. I expected to see a lot of Kelly, a little of Thomas, some of Davis, and perhaps a lot of Mitchell in the red zone. I mean Mitchell is practically taller then everyone which makes for a good target.

If Zorn was having trouble getting the runs in, no different then when we play the Steeler's, Eagles, Ravens, Titans...etc. They have big defensive lines. It's a clue to send the RB around the D-line and get the ball to him so he can get up field. The whole game the run only worked twice. Send Portis out. Get him into open space.

The play calling was atrocious. Run, Run, Pass, Punt. Go figure. Zorn, here's a quick tid bit.....if the run is not working PASS. Get something going. and yes I noticed JC looks to feel more comfortable in the shot gun also. I guess cause he does not have to count steps while back peddling, look at the rush, check the defense, and get the pass off. To much for him to think about.

44Deezel
09-14-2009, 03:31 PM
Exactly. I think someone pointed out that there was only 2 sacks and none from Heyer's side. Touche', good job O-line. But, ......how many rush's were there? or close sacks? It seemed like all game I kept saying "get rid of the ball", "get rid of the ball."

In a nutshell I expected the Skins to be better then the Giants. I bought in to the fact the Giants have no WR's, they have key injuries, our O-line was boosted, and we have better weapons this yr. Totally bought it. Sold. I still don't think the Giants are better, I think the Skins allowed them to physically man handle them to get them off their game. Moss was upset, Landry was upset, just to name a couple. I expected to see a lot of Kelly, a little of Thomas, some of Davis, and perhaps a lot of Mitchell in the red zone. I mean Mitchell is practically taller then everyone which makes for a good target.

If Zorn was having trouble getting the runs in, no different then when we play the Steeler's, Eagles, Ravens, Titans...etc. They have big defensive lines. It's a clue to send the RB around the D-line and get the ball to him so he can get up field. The whole game the run only worked twice. Send Portis out. Get him into open space.

The play calling was atrocious. Run, Run, Pass, Punt. Go figure. Zorn, here's a quick tid bit.....if the run is not working PASS. Get something going. and yes I noticed JC looks to feel more comfortable in the shot gun also. I guess cause he does not have to count steps while back peddling, look at the rush, check the defense, and get the pass off. To much for him to think about.

They can also go 4 or 5 wide and run from that formation. Or run from shot-gun. Or go no-huddle in the first quarter. Or pass on first down. They're just so friggin predictable. I believe the ball never crossed the plane of the end zone through the air until the pass to Cooley. That's ridiculous. I want to see balls fall incomplete (better yet complete) in the end zone BEFORE the 4th quarter.

SmootSmack
09-14-2009, 03:31 PM
Romo connected on a 70 yard TD pass to Roy Williams and the ball only traveled through the air around 15 yards. We don't need to throw the ball 50-70 yards in the air to have a big play. Everything seems to be either a 5-10 yard dink or a bomb that misses terribly. Where's are the intermediate plays? The YAC?

Check out the stats in the box

Sources: Denver Broncos want Jets LB David Harris to deal Brandon Marshall - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4441274)

53Fan
09-14-2009, 03:37 PM
Yep, I'm with you here. Time to dump the delusion that we're a power running team. We haven't been that way since Riggins retired.

We have all these receivers, two pass catching tight ends, and a running back that can block. Even though the deep accuracy isn't always there, we have a QB with an arm like a howitzer. Put Campbell in the shotgun and throw it 65% of the time. Run the ball to change things up and to put away the oppenent with a safe lead. But throw the damn ball, and throw it with purpose.

Nice post man. We have the weapons to be a passing team...use them. Right now I have no idea what we're suppose to be.

SBXVII
09-14-2009, 03:46 PM
I don't know. The way it looked to me was that the gints rolled their safeties to the outside to protect their CBs, and Zorn/Campbell hit the intermediate middle for lots of plays. ARE and Cooley had big days.

But the odd thing is that Zorn didn't stick to his WC system ENOUGH, IMO. Why run Portis on 1st down? Because, hey, you've got a 1400 yard back, Buges as a line coach, it's the NFC east, you've got to control ToP, etc. That looked like Gibbs II, not the WC. I think maybe we need to move away a bit from the Buges/Gibbs stuff and throw to set up the run. We haven't done enough of that yet.

I almost don't have a problem with the team trying to run so much. It wears down the defense, but by mid to late 3rd quarter they needed to dump the run and pass only to catch up and surpass the Giants. but what I do have a problem with is teams know to stop the Skins all they have to do is stop the run. Force us to go to the air. Until the Skins can step back and throw the ball down field either intermediate or long to force the other team to pull back off the line more often this is what we are going to see.

Then the announcers simply had to rub it in saying the first time defensive co-ordinator is doing a great job with no name mediocre talent. "He's got them playing together."

and yes the lack of adjustment is pissing me off also.

44Deezel
09-14-2009, 04:54 PM
Check out the stats in the box

Sources: Denver Broncos want Jets LB David Harris to deal Brandon Marshall - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4441274)

Makes sense. 5 yard pass with 2.7 yards of YAC is about 55%;) Our YAC doesn't seem to resemble New England's YAC although we're "statistically" close.

SmootSmack
09-14-2009, 10:49 PM
Smootsmack For using the word rhythm in his critique. I think that word needs to be banished to the fiery pits of hell.

LOL. Fair enough...as long as people stop using the term "real football guy" as in "We need a real football guy running the front office" I will also accept "Guy who knows football." This has replaced the inevitable "real General Manager."

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