'Bring the Pain' Stepping away from the panic button, slowly

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hooskins
09-15-2009, 10:50 PM
Here's the other thing about the trick play with Randle El -- by now, the secret is out among opposing teams that if ARE gets a reverse or he gets the ball in the backfield, assume it's a pass. He's been in on those plays since his days in Pittsburgh.

We need to stop pretending it is 04. ARE sucks at PR, KR and throws. He waits too long, tries to make too much happen, etc. I am done with ARE anywhere beside receiving. And that comes with caveats too.

Just throw quick slot passes to him and he can be a 1000yd receiver this year.

hooskins
09-15-2009, 10:52 PM
And despite doing a great job in the slot, ARE really did F it up for me us on the reverse. Just throw it away. Even though he almost had 100 yds, none were game changers.

The loss of yards on the reverse was huge. We just had an almost 40 yard run. Momentum was going, we answers the g-men, and BAM typical ARE fuck up.

Hog1
09-15-2009, 11:13 PM
Is it my imagination, or is ARE afraid to get hit? It seems like he drops and rolls up fetal when a possible collision presents itself.

53Fan
09-15-2009, 11:24 PM
Is it my imagination, or is ARE afraid to get hit? It seems like he drops and rolls up fetal when a possible collision presents itself.

He still thinks he's a QB. Old habits die hard. :)

44Deezel
09-15-2009, 11:30 PM
One thing that everyone forgets is - just because there aren't many deep balls thrown doesn't mean that the passing plays with deep routes are not called. It could be one reason or another why a pass is not attempted deep, but I would think the deep passing plays are being called.

Last year I noticed on many pass completions there seemed to be a deeper option that was just as open or even more open than the receiver that was thrown to. I emphasize "seemed" because I am no expert. Just an observation.

Trample the Elderly
09-15-2009, 11:31 PM
Is it my imagination, or is ARE afraid to get hit? It seems like he drops and rolls up fetal when a possible collision presents itself.

As long as he gets a first down, that's cool with me. Maybe Santana can take notes.

insideman
09-15-2009, 11:41 PM
Here's the other thing about the trick play with Randle El -- by now, the secret is out among opposing teams that if ARE gets a reverse or he gets the ball in the backfield, assume it's a pass. He's been in on those plays since his days in Pittsburgh.

Does Zorn watch these tapes of other teams and then try and plan the play calling on what he sees or does he just off the top of his head come up with these stupid ideas. Poor planning on Zorns in part I think is what is leading us to these type of poor loses. Also I get the feeling he has confidence in his team by the way he calls these plays. Let them go out there and just play good football. But time and time again he says he has the up most confidence is it all. DON'T TRULY BELIEVE THIS IS TRUE.

44Deezel
09-15-2009, 11:43 PM
I give you credit for even reading that

Seriously. I gave up half way through. I think other teams should try double teaming Randy Moss, Larry F, Andre Johnson, T Owens, etc. etc., since it's so effective against Santana. I wonder why they haven't thought of trying that yet. OH, wait a minute! Because those guys play on teams that don't allow other teams to take their best receivers out of the game and use it as an excuse for not being able to produce jack on offense.

Like many have said before, teams with crappier WRs still find ways to move the ball and put it in the end zone. Campbell going 6-2 last year doesn't make him good. Jeff Garcia did it for the Eagles, but he' still not a starter. Vince Young has a great record as a starter, but he's a backup. Hell, didn't Marty find a way to string some wins together with Tony Banks as his QB?

The Skins were down 17 points and didn't even get through their 15 scripted plays until the third quarter. And for homers like Larry Michael to keep talking about how the game came down to 4 or 5 plays and for Jason Reid to cite Campbell's 93.6 passer rating when his stats until the last meaningless drive were dreadful (145 yards, 1 INT, 1 Fumble). The Giants never once felt threatened and were already thinking about their week 2 opponent mid-way through the 3rd quarter, if not at half-time.

Skinny Tee
09-15-2009, 11:47 PM
Is it my imagination, or is ARE afraid to get hit? It seems like he drops and rolls up fetal when a possible collision presents itself.

I don't mind that actually.

He's a small receiver and his objective is basically just to sit in between two zones and take the open space given to him.

With the zone defense a defender is never too far away so he knows just to get down and move the chains for the next play. He's playing within the realm of his talents so I don't mind that he's not trucking people over after the catch.

53Fan
09-16-2009, 12:01 AM
Last year I noticed on many pass completions there seemed to be a deeper option that was just as open or even more open than the receiver that was thrown to. I emphasize "seemed" because I am no expert. Just an observation.

G' Damnit Deezel! The season's already started! NOW you tell us!!! :)

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