can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb

I'm saying it's someone's fault other than Chad Pennington. Then I'm asking if you think Schottenheimer had anything to do with that.

I also was trying to point out that the Jets made a questionable quarterback decision in each of the last three seasons, and while that's certainly a personnel issue (I kinda think Tannenbaum is a dolt), I'm wondering what role the Mangini/Schottenheimer combo had in screwing up the QB situation.

If Schotty can be completely absolved from the mess with his QBs in NY, couldn't a similar argument work as a defense for Zorn not breaking through here?

Well I think Schottenheimer had little if anything to do with deciding who he was coaching, just asked to do the best he could with who he had. Thought he did a nice job of working with Brees and Rivers in San Diego, and the aforementioned Jets QBs.

But to my earlier point, I was just stating that having seen both Jets games and both Redskins games I like that Schott is showing confidence in Sanchez at critical junctures that I don't always see from Zorn to Campbell.

Well I think Schottenheimer had little if anything to do with deciding who he was coaching, just asked to do the best he could with who he had. Thought he did a nice job of working with Brees and Rivers in San Diego, and the aforementioned Jets QBs.

But to my earlier point, I was just stating that having seen both Jets games and both Redskins games I like that Schott is showing confidence in Sanchez at critical junctures that I don't always see from Zorn to Campbell.I'm not speaking from a position of authority because I missed most of Jets-Pats, but I just see two guys who are very systematically similar. I wish I could say that I had the confidence in Zorn to trust Jason Campbell in big situations, but I'm just of the opinion that it's sort of a no-brainer.

I know we also differ on our opinion of Sanchez as a pro prospect, so I'm suggesting we table this one until more of the season passes. I'm just not seeing the trust angle as it applies to Zorn here, although certainly, if he does have an issue with trusting his players, it could be the end of him as a head coach.

I think where you see a problem, I see a symptom of a greater issue. But I'd like more evidence before I draw any conclusions.

I think Zorn should go. I really like the guy but Dan Snyder put him in a position to fail. Washington is just the wrong franchise have to learn both playcalling and head coaching on the job.

For his sake, I wish Fassel had been signed and Zorn was OC. I do feel bad for him, but our window of opportunity with a lot of these veterans will close before he is up to speed.

Looking back, I wish they had just brought in the next coach during the offseason.

Of course this goes back to Snyder making another poor football decision. That's okay, it is only another failed experiment that the fans have to deal with.

I think Zorn should go. I really like the guy but Dan Snyder put him in a position to fail. Washington is just the wrong franchise have to learn both playcalling and head coaching on the job.

For his sake, I wish Fassel had been signed and Zorn was OC. I do feel bad for him, but our window of opportunity with a lot of these veterans will close before he is up to speed.

Looking back, I wish they had just brought in the next coach during the offseason.

Of course this goes back to Snyder making another poor football decision. That's okay, it is only another failed experiment that the fans have to deal with.

8-8 in his FIRST-EVER head coaching experience is hardly the massive failure you're trying to pass it off as.

For his sake, I wish Fassel had been signed and Zorn was OC. I do feel bad for him, but our window of opportunity with a lot of these veterans will close before he is up to speed.

If Fassel is so good why is he coaching in the UFL? Ditto for Billick. If the Redskins were to make a coaching change, my choices would be Tony Dungy or Cam Cameron.

If Fassel is so good why is he coaching in the UFL? Ditto for Billick. If the Redskins were to make a coaching change, my choices would be Tony Dungy or Cam Cameron.

Dungy! However, I am not giving up on Zorn YET.

Dungy! However, I am not giving up on Zorn YET.

I agree, not giving up just yet after 2 games.

I agree, not giving up just yet after 2 games.

Ummm....18 games, Im not sure Zorn can handle being Head coach and the playcaller. If Gibbs admitted that he would be better served letting an offensive coordinator call plays, why does Zorn think he can do any better. Because he is a genius, and needs to feed his ego! Plus "I really enjoy calling the plays", enjoy it while you can Zorny!

Ummm....18 games, Im not sure Zorn can handle being Head coach and the playcaller. If Gibbs admitted that he would be better served letting an offensive coordinator call plays, why does Zorn think he can do any better. Because he is a genius, and needs to feed his ego! Plus "I really enjoy calling the plays", enjoy it while you can Zorny!

Is it Zorn's fault that his 3 rookie receivers picked last year were so out of shape, hurt and immature that he they couldn't see the field? His OL was old and hurt constantly? To me last year doesn't count. Yeah, this year's offense hasn't gotten to a stellar scoring, but if you watched the game our offense moved the ball up and down the field and used many different receivers than in week 1. Yes, we have RZ problems that I believe will get worked out, to me an encouraging sign was that we used many different receivers last week, Thomas and Sellers dropped a few and I will not make excuses, Zorn made a bad call in the RZ.

8-8 in his FIRST-EVER head coaching experience is hardly the massive failure you're trying to pass it off as.

I didn't say or infer that he is a colossal failure (not sure where you are pulling that from), I said that this is the wrong town for a coach to learn on the job.

I would argue that the offense has taken a step back from Gibbs 2.0 and that an experienced offensive coach and playcaller would be scoring more points with this team.