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schndr_tdd 09-05-2009, 08:42 PM Last year (first year head coach)Zorn,used Portis as a safety net.Trying to learn as you go,he made mistakes,just as anyone else trying something new.Proceed with caution,back of instead of taking risks,etc.You all know what i mean.Expect a more attacking style offense this year,anyone that watched Zorn play,knows his intensity.
over the mountain 09-06-2009, 06:55 AM It may not be proper attribution, but Brandon Lloyd certainly deserves it.
yeah i remember that play like it was yesterday . . . . skins sctrechin the field this year? please children im smart enough to know this teams strengths is running the ball and defense. im not gonna be lulled into the fairy tale that this same team with the same weapons is suddenly gonna be explosive. i expect JC to be efficient and our team offense to produce exactly the same as its been with campbell, portis moss and cooley.
these guys are our offense and theyve been here for years. we are a defensive team with a penchant for running the ball down teams throats. im a defense guy so i dont give 2 rats asses how little but progresivly better cambpell and the passing game gets. as long as they can keep defenses guessin and respectin the pass i could care less at our never had stretchin the field pipe dream.
this same crap has been said and hoped upon every year for as long as i can remember, fin jeff george, b llyood and ARE ring a bell? now we think tall receivers are the way to go with kelly n thomas.
get a franchise qb to compliment this D. i know these dont grow under trees but we cant stop tryin/lookin then we dont need to tailor eveyrthing perfectly around an adequate qb.
fickty im rarely drunk postin
go skins
Beemnseven 09-06-2009, 09:33 AM I am so glad that Zorn has tailored the offense to Campbell's talents. I thought that Joe Gibbs made a huge mistake hiring Saunders, because Campbell's talents were best suited to Joe Gibbs vertical style of offense. He is a deep ball passer like Mark Rypien. The west coast offense was never suited to his talents. I think that if they go with this down field vertical passing game there is hope for Campbell staying in Washington and taking us to the promise land. With the emergence of Mitchell, Kelly and Thomas, along with Moss, we should be a big play powerhouse.
Al Saunders' offense was a deep, vertical passing style offense. But Gibbs was extra conservative the second time around and had veto power over Saunders' play calling.
The 'West Coast' system is what we have now with Jim Zorn. Saunders was never a West Coast guy. He's from the Air Coryell system along with Norv Turner, Ernie Zampese, Dan Henning, and Mike Martz.
dmek25 09-06-2009, 09:54 AM im not getting why some people think its going to be bombs away this year. that goes against the principles of the west coast. its all about timing, hitting guys in stride. and Y.A.C
im not getting why some people think its going to be bombs away this year. that goes against the principles of the west coast. its all about timing, hitting guys in stride. and Y.A.C
What Zorn runs isn't necessarily a pure and true WCO though. Hell what the WCO is in the NFL now really isn't what it used to be. Everyone has added their own spin to it.
Beemnseven 09-06-2009, 11:12 AM Randy Cross, who played for Bill Walsh once said that nobody is really playing the true West Coast offense anymore.
I think the closest thing to the original was Mike Holmgren's offense. Even then though, Montana and Favre both threw bombs downfield.
Lotus 09-06-2009, 11:23 AM Randy Cross, who played for Bill Walsh once said that nobody is really playing the true West Coast offense anymore.
I think the closest thing to the original was Mike Holmgren's offense. Even then though, Montana and Favre both threw bombs downfield.
Thank you!
Somehow the WCO has gotten the false reputation for being short pass only. Some people think that the WCO and a vertical passing game are opposites. The fact is, although the WCO stresses short passes, there always has been a vertical component. The vertical game is there for its own sake and also to open up space for shorter routes. Anyone who remembers Jerry Rice and John Taylor racing past defenders on go routes knows this.
GTripp0012 09-06-2009, 11:26 AM Thank you!
Somehow the WCO has gotten the false reputation for being short pass only. Some people think that the WCO and a vertical passing game are opposites. The fact is, although the WCO stresses short passes, there always has been a vertical component. The vertical game is there for its own sake and also to open up space for shorter routes. Anyone who remembers Jerry Rice and John Taylor racing past defenders on go routes knows this.Zorn also relies on the vertical routes more than most coaches to open up the underneath. Other WCO versions sometimes like to use the backs on swing passes to open up the middle of the field for the receivers, but Zorn prefers to run 'em off.
NYCskinfan82 09-06-2009, 12:48 PM Thank you!
Somehow the WCO has gotten the false reputation for being short pass only. Some people think that the WCO and a vertical passing game are opposites. The fact is, although the WCO stresses short passes, there always has been a vertical component. The vertical game is there for its own sake and also to open up space for shorter routes. Anyone who remembers Jerry Rice and John Taylor racing past defenders on go routes knows this.
That's right tell them my brother.
Mechanix544 09-06-2009, 08:16 PM To make it short and sweet - If J.C. and Zorn do not AT LEAST double the amount of passing plays that went for over 20 yards last year, Portis will have under 4.0 ypc and you will see frustration set in by week 6. Gotta open the field up fellas, gotta.
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