It's OK To Yell At Gibbs

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CrazyCanuck
10-05-2004, 07:32 PM
We get a baseball team-but it's the last place Expos, still owned by MLB.

Smoot I love your posts but on this one all I can say is CRY ME A RIVER!!!!!

SmootSmack
10-05-2004, 07:38 PM
Smoot I love your posts but on this one all I can say is CRY ME A RIVER!!!!!

I know. Truthfully, I couldn't think of anything bad to say about getting the Expos but I had an overall theme to maintain in my post.

BIGREDSKINFAN63
10-05-2004, 07:48 PM
joe gibbs does not owe any of us one thing,if anything we owe him something for giving us faith in the skins again.all you younger guys pissing and moaning were just an itch in your daddy's pants during gibbs first year.there are a lot of us here who remember it and see a lot of similarities.all you guys will be wondering a year from now how you could have been so wrong.can't we send portis to dr phil or a hypnotist?:silly:

Riggo44
10-05-2004, 08:09 PM
joe gibbs does not owe any of us one thing,if anything we owe him something for giving us faith in the skins again.all you younger guys pissing and moaning were just an itch in your daddy's pants during gibbs first year.there are a lot of us here who remember it and see a lot of similarities.all you guys will be wondering a year from now how you could have been so wrong.can't we send portis to dr phil or a hypnotist?:silly:



:iamwithst

jdlea
10-05-2004, 08:20 PM
I don't care how old when he first coached, but he's not getting done yet. YET being the operative word, I think he will, but he doesn't have it yet. So, step down off your soap box.

Redskins8588
10-05-2004, 09:07 PM
jdlea this is something that you sould read. You should not care about your age when Gibbs was on the sidelines the first time, but why would you say that Gibbs doesn't have it YET!! Trust me he reconizes what the problems are and he will deal with them accordingly. Besides who would you rather be on the sidelines other than Gibbs and Williams?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=citadel-2_302266_71&prov=citadel&type=lgns



The Enemy

Paul Woody said it best in this morning's Richmond Times-Dispatch:

Joe Gibbs has seen the enemy and it is wearing burgundy and gold and leaving the football on the ground in inopportune places and at inopportune times.
Just before Portis' fumble the Skins had a 10-3 lead and seemed primed to drive to take control of the game. Instead, it's Cleveland ball on the Washington 31. Bad time, bad place.
And then the Redskins' chance for a last-gasp drive with a reasonable amount of time left died when Coles fumbled that chance away. Worse time, it didn't really matter where it happened.

Throw in the roughing the passer penalties, two of the seven flags thrown against the Skins, the miscommunications between Gibbs and Brunell and Gibbs and Larry Hill, his replay guru in the booth, and you have, well, the Fun and Gun.

Last year, the Redskins survived such performance issues during the first quarter of the season and started 3-1. Ultimately, they collapsed under the weight of all of the mistakes and won just twice the rest of the way.

Call it a losing attitude, call it what you will, but the culture of sloppy football continues even with the exchange of Gibbs for Spurrier. The key word there is culture.

It takes a lot to change a corporate culture, even in a relative small company such as the Washington Redskins . Simply banning cell phones in meetings doesn't get it done, nor does having seven zebras at each practice to flag infractions. Such things are a start, mind you, but changing a culture requires more.

For one thing, it requires a strong leader backed by a strong management team. The Redskins have that in Gibbs in concert with Bugel, Williams, and the rest. It requires persistence on the part of that leadership team. I think it would be foolish to question Gibbs' persistence or that of the assistant coaches.

There are factors beyond the control of the coaches. The individuals involved have to want to change. Or, more precisely, they have to want to do what it takes to change. You'd expect that highly motivated players making seven-figure incomes would certainly want to change and stop coughing up the ball and twitching before the snap and there's no doubt that every Redskin would tell you that he desperately wants to stop playing sloppy football.

That's talking the talk, what about walking that walk? Is that player willing to do what it takes to stop the mistakes? Will he go though the dull, rigorous drills with 100% focus, will he develop the mental toughness necessary to concentrate on execution even when he's dead tired? That's a decision each player will make for himself. It's a choice. It seems that not every player has chosen to do so at this point in time.

And that's the key, the other thing that's beyond the control of the coaches is the most fundamental one-time. It's not like removing a weed from your yard where you can just dig down and get the sucker roots and all. You have to convince that weed that it's a beautiful flower. You can't do that on demand.

jdlea
10-05-2004, 09:33 PM
First of all, I never said I didn't want Gibbs on the sidelines. Second, I totally agree with the article, but sometimes I get upset at the way the plays are being called. Sometimes I think we pass too much, especially given my feelings toward Brunell. I don't blame Gibbs for them screwing up execution, I didn't mean to attribute that to Gibbs. I find myself correcting announcers all the time when they say "you don't expect dumb penalties from this team,"...I do expect them from THIS team, just not a Joe Gibbs coached team.

Like I said, I don't think he's back in it yet, but I have a lot of confidence that he will get it.

dieselhog
10-06-2004, 07:41 AM
If only Stephen Davis were five years younger and still here.

He is a PERFECT Gibbs running back.

Portis will get better though, he has the talent.

:food-smil

MTK
10-06-2004, 09:29 AM
With Norv people said we didn't run enough, with Marty we ran too much and dinked and dunked too much, with SS we passed too much, get my point?

celts32
10-06-2004, 10:49 AM
joe gibbs does not owe any of us one thing,if anything we owe him something for giving us faith in the skins again.all you younger guys pissing and moaning were just an itch in your daddy's pants during gibbs first year.there are a lot of us here who remember it and see a lot of similarities.all you guys will be wondering a year from now how you could have been so wrong.can't we send portis to dr phil or a hypnotist?:silly:



Amen...

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