Skins sell ticket straight to scalpers

But you don't understand. This isn't a business we're talking about. It's just a game. The Redskins don't have bills to pay


Smoot, if they come out and say that they cannot sell the tickets on defaulted contracts and that these people are creating a significant drain on their revenue, I would side with them. They have never said that. They talk about the 160,000 strong waiting list.

Which is it?

Smoot, if they come out and say that they cannot sell the tickets on defaulted contracts and that these people are creating a significant drain on their revenue, I would side with them. They have never said that. They talk about the 160,000 strong waiting list.

Which is it?

I'll raise a practical question. The tickets in question, which they're suing over, are they club levels or what? Not that you specifically have to answer Pockets. Anyone please..

If they are club levels (I don't know if club and loge are the same here) then A) the list doesn't apply and B) they can't sell those out so it's not like they having an easy time finding people to buy those.

Now I can understand the moral indignation if they are suing over tickets they could just sell to someone else. I'm not buying that particular potion but I can understand it.

I will also mention that I do not blame any fan who sold their tickets to a Steelers fan. If someone can pay for their season tickets for the year by selling one or two games to an opposing fan, more power to them.

Snyder does the exact same thing so I will never criticize a fan for doing it. He had made gameday such an expensive event that people are foolish not to sell a game or two.

I would agree. And I would note that most season ticket holders DONT make make good money on these tickets they sell. I think it is a myth that fans can pay for their season tickets by selling a few games. I have season tickets in the last row of the stadium and their "secondary market" value is quite worthless. Last year, I could not make the Arizona game and I could not sell my tickets for $25. Seriously.

I'll raise a practical question. The tickets in question, which they're suing over, are they club levels or what? Not that you specifically have to answer Pockets. Anyone please..

If they are club levels (I don't know if club and loge are the same here) then A) the list doesn't apply and B) they can't sell those out so it's not like they having an easy time finding people to buy those.

Now I can understand the moral indignation if they are suing over tickets they could just sell to someone else. I'm not buying that particular potion but I can understand it.

You are correct. They are suing over club level seat, the list does not apply AND they have a hard time selling these seats (which is why they sue).

But where the "raping" comes in to play is the way they get these fans into these multi year mega buck contracts via dubious sales techniques. A lot of these fans don't know what they are getting into because the ticket office does not tell them the truth or the ticket office simply commits outright fraud (e.g. altering the contract after they sign it as in the aforementioned picture in the Wash Post).

Then suing these people after you have tricked them into these contracts is a raping.

Personally, I thing the ticket sales office is out of hand and I would prefer them to have a more transparent and fair operation. I don't dislike Dan Snyder or really have a problem with anything else he has done. Allthough, he is the top dog so he must be held responsible to some extent.

But where the "raping" comes in to play is the way they get these fans into these multi year mega buck contracts via dubious sales techniques. A lot of these fans don't know what they are getting into because the ticket office does not tell them the truth or the ticket office simply commits outright fraud (e.g. altering the contract after they sign it as in the aforementioned picture in the Wash Post).

I just can't buy this for a couple reasons.

First off anyone "tricked" into signing a contract deserves what comes to them. I'm tired of hearing about "dubious sales techniques" and "predatory lending" type arguments. If you sign a contract and don't understand what it says on the paper that is on you.

As far as them altering contacts I find it hard to believe that this is some type of organizational practice. Maybe a person in the sales office did it and for that they should get in serious trouble but I just can't believe the ticket office, as a practice, would do things like this when it is so obviously going to come out.

And I am done...I have written way too much on something I don't really care about. Either way.

I just can't buy this for a couple reasons.

Well, you don't have to buy this. But whatever you do: Don't buy club level seats! You get way more then you bargained for.

Generally, I don't feel sorry about anyone who signed a contract either. But I do feel it is a good thing that we warn fans about these sales techniques so they don't get suckered too. Also, I kinda wish it was the Cowboys who where suckering their fans.

As far as the fraud in the ticket office. I too doubt that it is an organizational practice. Probably, only happens to 3 or 4 fans a year.

You are correct. They are suing over club level seat, the list does not apply AND they have a hard time selling these seats (which is why they sue).

But where the "raping" comes in to play is the way they get these fans into these multi year mega buck contracts via dubious sales techniques. A lot of these fans don't know what they are getting into because the ticket office does not tell them the truth or the ticket office simply commits outright fraud (e.g. altering the contract after they sign it as in the aforementioned picture in the Wash Post).

Then suing these people after you have tricked them into these contracts is a raping.

Personally, I thing the ticket sales office is out of hand and I would prefer them to have a more transparent and fair operation. I don't dislike Dan Snyder or really have a problem with anything else he has done. Allthough, he is the top dog so he must be held responsible to some extent.

I was always taught to read anything before I signed it.
If you don't understand it...don't sign it.

The Washington Post sucks.

The Washington Post sucks.


Now that is pretty funny!

I think I am going to sue Tom Boswell for using many of my points on this issue. That is what the little man would do.

I was always taught to read anything before I signed it.
If you don't understand it...don't sign it.

I think the people read and understood what they signed (except for the guy that said the team chacked boxes he didnt) and it is a contract but with so many people supposedly on the wait list I find it hard to believe they cant sell these club tickets. The Skins are a business but they are more than that, they are, like Boswell says, a public trust. They arent a furniture store, they are an icon that people grow up with and develop deep emotional ties to. I just dont see how the few extra $ they recovered in these lawsuits outweighs the incredible negative publicity from this. Also, by the time the team goes through all the time and effort of chasing these cases, how much money is really made? I suspect not much to make it worth all this mess. Why the Skins just wouldnt have said to those sued, "we are sorry you are no longer interested thanks for your support" and just walked away is beyond me.