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roth74va 08-31-2009, 09:17 PM Well, let's be honest with ourselves -- we finished up as an 8-8 team. And we did basically nothing to upgrade the obvious weakness, which was offense.
Im seeing this differently, I do think we upgraded, actually in several ways.
Dockery is one upgrade, along with Jansen being gone, hopefully Heyer can continue to improve. But I think the biggest upgrade would be the 2nd year development of the young 2nd rounders, along with JC being in the 2nd year of a system for the first time in a long time. I think sometimes no turnover is a good thing, the weapons are there, hopefully everyone can jell and make this year something special.
Im gonna go with 10-6, hail to the Redskins!
Hail to the Redskins 08-31-2009, 09:27 PM Well let's break it down game-by-game (my predictions):
at NY Giants - Loss
St. Louis - Win
at Detroit - Win
Tampa Bay - Win
at Carolina - Win (flip a coin here w/ Delhomme vs our D)
Kansas City - Win
Philadelphia - Win
at Atlanta - Loss
Denver - Win
at Dallas - Loss
at Philadelphia - Loss
New Orleans - Loss
at Oakland - Win
NY Giants - Loss
Dallas - Win
at San Diego - Loss
That's put us at 9-7... starting 6-1, but finishing 3-6. Obviously, any of these games could go either way, but this is what my logic says in these games.
We lose the Carolina game, but win all of the other ones I said would put us at 8-8 just like the "experts" say.
Question is, if we finish 8-8, is Zorn our HC next year & is JC our QB next year?
53Fan 08-31-2009, 09:36 PM If they picked us to go 16-0 would it make any difference? I can see us going 11-5 / 12-4 just as easy as 8-8. A lot depends on how the o-line holds up and whether the receivers keep progressing.
Beemnseven 08-31-2009, 09:42 PM The offensive line is what really worries me. Looks like the stab in the dark that was Mike Williams isn't going to work out. And while Dockery is younger, does he really present an upgrade over what we had with Pete Kendall?
You just cannot dismiss the wear and tear these guys take going into November and December.
8-8 won't save Zorn's job, and unless JC has a Pro Bowl year, both of them are as good as done in Washington.
Beemnseven 08-31-2009, 09:45 PM Im seeing this differently, I do think we upgraded, actually in several ways.
Dockery is one upgrade, along with Jansen being gone, hopefully Heyer can continue to improve. But I think the biggest upgrade would be the 2nd year development of the young 2nd rounders, along with JC being in the 2nd year of a system for the first time in a long time. I think sometimes no turnover is a good thing, the weapons are there, hopefully everyone can jell and make this year something special.
Im gonna go with 10-6, hail to the Redskins!
Well, we haven't exactly seen that yet.
Yes, they seem to be more involved this preseason. But if Kelly or Thomas can't supplant Randle Friggin' El, then we're back to square one.
So the point remains, we're counting on the same guys who couldn't produce last year to find another gear that nobody's seen.
TenandSix:Unacceptable 09-01-2009, 01:25 AM There used to be a point in time where I'd get upset about this, but this is par for the course as the season previews for the Skins go so it's no biggie. I'll be content to let our play on the field do the talking for better or worse.
It's not like you've got much choice.
Redskin Warrior 09-01-2009, 01:51 AM i really feel that there are two areas that will determine whether we win or lose. Those areas being offensive line play and defensive secondary play. J. Campbell has proven last year and this preseason that with time he can make all the throws. We can't give up big plays in the secondary we have upgraded our defensive line and Orapko & Haynesworth should wreak havoc on QB's this season.
Ruhskins 09-01-2009, 01:52 AM The offensive line is what really worries me. Looks like the stab in the dark that was Mike Williams isn't going to work out. And while Dockery is younger, does he really present an upgrade over what we had with Pete Kendall?
You just cannot dismiss the wear and tear these guys take going into November and December.
8-8 won't save Zorn's job, and unless JC has a Pro Bowl year, both of them are as good as done in Washington.
Well so far the offensive line had held its own against Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and New England. And although this was preseason, well this situation is better than them being completely killed in the preseason. Durability should be a concern, but I think we should take into consideration that our back ups are more experienced and could potentially replace some of the older linemen.
While I will be realistic and say that if JC or Zorn don't produce they will most likely be gone, here is the other side of that coin....
Zorn and Campbell's success in the next season could translate into success for the team in the next couple of years. Think about this:
- We have a talented bunch of young receivers (Kelly, Mitchell, Davis, and Thomas)
- Two talented young defensive ends (Orakpo and Jarmon)
- A young secondary (Hall, Landry, Horton, and Barnes...maybe Tryon)
- We have a couple of veterans in their late 20s who could contribute at a top level well into their mid 30s (Haynesworth, Rogers, Rocky, Cooley, and maybe Portis)
With a good draft next year of LBs and offensive lineman, our team could be set for the next 5 or 6 years. My point in all of this is that the team has been building throught the draft over the past two/three years. And Jason Campbell's success this season is key to our team. Should Jason fail next season, we are looking at starting once again with a new starting QB, and wasting away some good seasons while a new QB develops (unless the team happens to get lucky and pick up a veteran that can pick things up right away).
CultBrennan59 09-01-2009, 02:59 AM Let's let the season play itself out, cause last year the Titans weren't expected to do much, and for a while they ended up being one of the best teams in the league
44Deezel 09-01-2009, 07:35 AM Well, we haven't exactly seen that yet.
Yes, they seem to be more involved this preseason. But if Kelly or Thomas can't supplant Randle Friggin' El, then we're back to square one.
So the point remains, we're counting on the same guys who couldn't produce last year to find another gear that nobody's seen.
Wasn't the team pretty good before the O line started falling apart? Even if the talent was exactly the same as last year, as long as the O line stays healthy, Samuels in particular, the Skins should at least be as good as they were during the 6-2 start.
And if the Defense is better and gets more turnovers and sacks and actually scores every now and again, the Offense will benefit and the points per game will go up. If the Skins averaged 3-5 points per game last year, they would have been in the playoffs. The Offense only needs to be marginally better then they were last year, and even if they're only as good as they were during the 6-2 start, they're still a playoff team.
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