"Jason Campbell struggles against the Steelers"

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GTripp0012
08-24-2009, 06:22 PM
There are a few starting quarterbacks in the NFL who haven't proved adequacy:

1. Kyle Orton
2. Matt Cassel
3. Shaun Hill
4. The post-Green Bay Brett Favre
5. Matthew Stafford
6. Luke McCown
7. Mark Sanchez
8. The post-Martz Marc Bulger
9. JaMarcus Russell
10. Derek Anderson/Brady Quinn
11. Trent Edwards
12. Vince Young
13. Joe Flacco

You could take any of these guys over Campbell, but it would be merely a personal preference. Not anything based on past performance.

warriorzpath
08-24-2009, 06:27 PM
I agree, but it's this realization that makes the posts about "having to perform" in the preseason a bit ridiculous. Everything we've seen to this point suggests adequacy (the problem is that we're expecting more than just adequacy), so why should 13 passes with varying degrees of execution matter? They shouldn't, over everything we've got.

So it looks really bad when you see an underthrown deep ball in the rain, and a bit of a high throw to Moss mixed in with some nice conversions on third down, and the first thing you think is "this guy is a complete bum". He looked better in a lot of ways against Pittsburghs defense than Charlie Batch did against our defense, which may not be a fair comparision, but it's an easy to normalize the weather conditions that everyone had to play in.

That's the situation that campbell is in - he's under the microscope. He should know that coming into this season and also preseason. It's almost like a rookie that is trying to make the team. Every play, bad or good, is scrutinized.

But he can't control this anymore, except for his play this season. That's the only way to show what he can do. Personally, I don't see anything unfair about having this opportunity. We should all be so lucky.

53Fan
08-24-2009, 06:28 PM
Really?

I live in Baltimore and the talk from Ravens camp has been that Cameron planned to open up the offense.

And guess what?

In the preseason game against us the Ravens put Flacco in shotgun and spread the field and passed the ball 15 times 2 more then JC has thrown the entire preseason.

And the Ravens were blitzing on defense, which used to be no-no for preseason.

*The rules for preseason have changed and Zorn is behind the curve.

Ravens-Redskins Preview: Conservative will be the Theme | Luke Jones’ Blog | WNST (http://wnst.net/wordpress/lukejones/2009/08/12/ravens-redskins-preview-conservative-will-be-the-theme/)

Dirtbag59
08-24-2009, 06:37 PM
Did Campbell have a good camp? I mean we're hearing a ton of praise about Orakpo and Mitchell so it kind of worries me that no one seems to be saying anything about JC.

Lotus
08-24-2009, 06:38 PM
Maybe its just me but I thought he was making very good decisions with the football and getting it out of his hands quick. He wasn't waitng for someone to come open, he was anticipating it and being very quick in the pocket. If things broke down he used his legs and I think that is good. He hasn't taken a sack and hasn't turned the ball over. Again, not great but not worthless as you would make it sound.

It's not just you. I agree.

CRedskinsRule
08-24-2009, 06:39 PM
Is it just me od do you guys feel that Zorn tried to run too much inside the redzone?
ran 3 in a row with starters. JC can move,why not try a rollout?
ok,time for practice.

I was really p o 'd that on either 2nd and definitely 3rd, JC didn't fake the handoff, I think he would have walked in on the backside. I only hope that it is all in the playbook, and JZ just is keeping it basic. But a qb endaround would have given JC a lot of credo (especially if you walked a TE that way too) yes that ticked me off.

30gut
08-24-2009, 07:01 PM
Ravens-Redskins Preview: Conservative will be the Theme | Luke Jones’ Blog | WNST (http://wnst.net/wordpress/lukejones/2009/08/12/ravens-redskins-preview-conservative-will-be-the-theme/)

From your link:
“In the preseason, I want [Flacco] to throw completions,” offensive coordinator Cam Camerson said. “That could be up the field [or] underneath. I want to see completions inside the numbers, up the field, sideline to sideline. That’s what we’re going to try to do this preseason. For us to improve our offense, we’ve got to throw the football better. Obviously, it starts with the quarterback.”

^^That's exactly what they did.
They weren't conservative, Cameron was trying to get their passing game going.

Their starting QB threw 15 times ours threw 6 times.

CRedskinsRule
08-24-2009, 07:37 PM
Just got caught up on all the posts.

No one can tell me that JC is going to be worse than last year, and last year we had 2 newbie receivers that couldn't get on the field and when they did made lots of mistakes. This preseason, we have seen Campbell shaking off the off-season, while the receivers named Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell have been coming into there own with all the qbs. Once the regular season starts, and Cooley is in on most every down, and teams are worrying about Portis, you don't think we will be seeing Kelly on the slant with his hands he has demonstrated, or DT on the corner post. Pre-season is vanilla, and no one is writing record books based off these performances.

One post asked why I think JC could take us to the playoffs (of course he asked as a diversion to answering my question). It's really simple, our Oline has looked solid, starters and backups. When JC had a solid line, he was putting up MVP style numbers, pulled out a great win from NO, and led a game winning drive against the Rams, only to have the D give it back. Same with SF
Zorn has learned more, and even I hated the 3 runs to the endzone, he had to see what the line/betts could do. I doubt he will try that in the regular season.

If you watch the plays and calls the 2nd and 3rd team offenses are running, they have a much more open playbook. Which to me is Zorn's way of testing his planning for this year.

JC mainly needs to lead this team, he will never be the gamer that Colt probably is, but at the NFL level, I believe he has the best chance of leading this team deep into the playoffs out of any qb who is now an option for our team.

84.2, 13, 6, 3245

I expect that all these numbers, except maybe 6, will increase. And that will bode well for our team.

And if JC doesn't. Then we bring on another guy next year, or Chase in game 12. But why spend 4 yrs working with, teaching, preparing a guy, to show him the door 3 games into his last season. That would be ridiculous.

RedskinMike
08-24-2009, 08:01 PM
Regardless of what Jason does this year Rivers is no longer an option. Just sighned a 6 year extension for around 92 mill.

GTripp0012
08-24-2009, 08:39 PM
Did Campbell have a good camp? I mean we're hearing a ton of praise about Orakpo and Mitchell so it kind of worries me that no one seems to be saying anything about JC.Following the rapid reports, I think it could best be described as up and down. I think it was obvious by the way the reports were written that he was outplaying Colt and Todd Collins, but I'm thinking that Chase Daniel is the only guy who has been truly exceeded his relative expectations.

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