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SBXVII 08-14-2009, 02:21 AM Ok, I can't do it. I was going to come on here and do something profound like write one word..."WOW", or "Interesting", or "Disappointing." Then I made the mistake and read half your posts from around page 22 to the last. I don't like Betts, never have, all he's good for is KR/PR and we keep him fresh to fill in for Portis. But it struck me as odd that the Betts lovers have not chimed in on his behalf?
Most importantly though I feel I have to be a cheerleader here. Even JC was interviewed and he said their play tonight was no big deal. Zorn kept the Offense very vinella so to speak so as to not give away any of our plays. Zorn did not put in any long balls according to JC cause he simply wanted JC and the rest of the offense to get into a rythem. JC did not appear to be concerned about tonight.
I'm sure Zorn called plays specifically to see how certain players handled themselves as well as Blache. I can not believe this team is this bad. There was no game planning, no stratege. Zorn walked into this game with 5-10 yrd plays to see many things I'm sure. How the offense would respond to protection. To see JC's speed of getting rid of the ball. To see the young WR's and possibly the RB's. I think Blache was simply trying out different packages of players together. Just to see who worked well together. I think he wanted to see what he had in a D-line and Orakpo and Jarmin.
It took me 3 1/2 quarters to finally decide to change the channel because for whatever reason I was glued to the disaster on my TV, but finally woke up and realized it was the first preseason game. Players have to learn to gel with each other. Rookies have to get rid of the jitters. and Zorn is not going to show his hand like Gibbs never did. Most of preseason was for the O-line to get their blocking down and D-line to learn where to rush and when. Having said all that....
"WOW" LOL :O
wilsowilso 08-14-2009, 02:23 AM Damn that Glengarry Glen Ross scene is so crazy well written!
Also if Jason Campbell doesn't stop using the word rhythm so much this year I will possibly freak out. "Just have to get in a rhythm, couldn't get in a rhythm, in college it was all about the rhythm, we stayed vanilla because we had to stay in rhythm the gameplan was established for rhythm.........the goal is to get us in a rhythm and ahhhhhhhhhhh I have no rhythm" stop saying that word please say something else!
SBXVII 08-14-2009, 02:27 AM Also this is why there is a preseason. You can only practice for so long with your own teamates cause you get used to how they play, what their tendencies are, and how to stop them. Tonight gave the second and third string a chance to play, a chance to play against a different scheme, and a chance to look at film and see what they are doing wrong or what they need to fix. Now if preseason game 4 looks like this I'll cry.
GridIron26 08-14-2009, 02:28 AM Here's my takes on the game;
Good signs:
Orakpo- he definitely looks good, he looks like he needs little bit more work on LB though..
Jarmon- he looks like he has high motor, hope it will be same when it counts (which I'm sure it will be)..
Moore- man, does he like to hit?! Although he did gave up a long pass to Hunter (it wasn't supposed to be a catch, but still)..
Henson- after going through learning curve, I think he might be a nice find (for 2nd stringer or possible starter in future?)
Campbell- I'm not sure exactly but I think he's better than before (sort of)
Kelly and D. Thomas- with limited actions, they look good so far.. Keep it coming!
D-line- it seems as if we are stacked (so far, it looks like so)
Bad signs:
Special team- needs more work..
Tryon- after all the hype in training camp, he kept getting beaten.. Although he did give a nice lick on Mason at red zone..
Barnes- he doesn't look good, as well..
Grant and Dutch- unless they perform much better next preseason games, don't expect to see them on the rooster list..
Davis- two fumbles, enough said..
Defense- too many missed tackles..
SBXVII 08-14-2009, 02:44 AM Oh yes, Davis, Davis, Davis.......I'm not an NFL player but is it that difficult to remember or learn from your mistake and put two hands on the ball in traffic?
Skinny Tee 08-14-2009, 03:56 AM Most importantly though I feel I have to be a cheerleader here. Even JC was interviewed and he said their play tonight was no big deal. Zorn kept the Offense very vinella so to speak so as to not give away any of our plays. Zorn did not put in any long balls according to JC cause he simply wanted JC and the rest of the offense to get into a rythem. JC did not appear to be concerned about tonight.
Did Zorn also keep our offensive line protection vanilla just because it was preseason?
I understand that it is a preseason game and record-wise it doesn't matter but what DOES matter is the performance we delivered in that meaningless game.
No overall improvements were made to our O-Line and everyone expects Campbell to do the leg work in moving the ball. There has to be realistic expectations on our offense as a whole and it comes down to one fundamental:
"If you have no line, you have no time."
My opinion is that our personnel has been severely mismanaged. There wasn't any considerably major reinforcements made to our most vulnerable position on the offensive line.
...And to those about to hit quote on my post and reply with a witty "The sky is falling".
How many more 8-8 seasons do you have to see before you realize that the sky HAS already fallen?
GridIron26 08-14-2009, 04:30 AM Did Zorn also keep our offensive line protection vanilla just because it was preseason?
I understand that it is a preseason game and record-wise it doesn't matter but what DOES matter is the performance we delivered in that meaningless game.
No overall improvements were made to our O-Line and everyone expects Campbell to do the leg work in moving the ball. There has to be realistic expectations on our offense as a whole and it comes down to one fundamental:
"If you have no line, you have no time."
My opinion is that our personnel has been severely mismanaged. There wasn't any considerably major reinforcements made to our most vulnerable position on the offensive line.
...And to those about to hit quote on my post and reply with a witty "The sky is falling".
How many more 8-8 seasons do you have to see before you realize that the sky HAS already fallen?
Good point there, you have.. I can say I'm almost on your side, it's hard not to.. But once again, it seem as if every person within Redskins believe they are fine with the players we have on the list.. They have more insights than we do.. I guess I can say I would have to wait until half of season to find out.. Or ending of the season going in playoffs? We don't know how serious Thomas's situation is, yes he isn't playing much but they might hold him for a while to let him heal 100%? Let's wait until the 1st game to see the results.. If it's still same as old sh*t, then I'm on your side; count on it, man..
The FO believes Heyer can fill in the spot; after all, some of us complained that we are not developing players like some other teams (Pats, Giants, and Steelers).. Even I believe in Heyer too, he needs experience to grow.. Give it a shot.. Rinehart is ahead of Bridges for RG, and Bridges is much better than Wade.. Maybe, he will get better by 1st game, enough to take over the #1 spot when Thomas feels better or whatever?
We did sign Bridges, to give the FO some credit.. And for Mike Williams, he did move well, especially for the big boy who haven't played since 2006.. I'm not saying that he's good player, but just that he's getting his groove back.. It takes time.. If he keeps it up and continue to get in shape, it could pay off nicely..
If they are right, we all owe it to Bugel - he's the man..
wilsowilso 08-14-2009, 04:57 AM i LIKE BUGS
Skinny Tee 08-14-2009, 06:05 AM Just so it doesn't look like I'm all hater and no praiser, here are some brights & shights from Thursday's game:
Brights:
- Malcolm Kelly's aggressive catching
- Orakpo, solid while rushing
- Jarmon, gave good pressure though it seemed like he was gassed at points
- D. Hall, looks ready for the season
- 1st Team Defense, the strongest aspect of our team
Shights
- Tryon, need I say more?
- Reed Doughty, more of the same ineffectual play, gets stiff-punked by McGahee
- O-Line, gave our QB's no time and RB's no room, having no depth is frustrating on many levels
- Fred Davis's bad luck, one is his fault the other was pretty much a delayed drop
- Backup secondary couldn't get burned anymore than they did
- Theismann is too boring and nerdy, put him out to pasture.
Overall I was pretty frustrated with the game but there were some bright spots. Orakpo looks like an athlete who wants to excel and win. I like to see that. I hope we can stoke that competitive fire for the long run. It was nice to see Kelly's attitude too. He seems bitter and hungry now that he's coming into the season behind D. Thomas. Hope that translates to improvement on the field this year.
SmootSmack 08-14-2009, 07:38 AM Blache said he wanted to put the young guys "on an island" tonight and see how they handled it. Surprisingly he didn't seem to disappointed in Tryon. He said the guys should learn from this. From what I saw, Tryon has a LOT to learn.
I suspected as much. Williams used to do the same thing with his young safeties and cornerbacks
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