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coggs 08-06-2009, 07:19 PM I don't think that Eli's contract is that ridiculous. He is a proven clutch QB. Now if you want to look at idiotic contracts I would discuss Nate Clements, Asomugha or Stafford's deal before I would focus on Eli's.
I think that Eli owes a lot of this deal to Burress and a great offensive line but I don't think that the Giants made a terrible move by locking him up. In a few years this contract probably won't look so out of line.
I think the owners would have a lockout, but could you imagine if they play with an uncapped season in 2010? Some of these owners will spend money like drunken sailors in a nudie bar and that $97MM might seem like a "bargain".
Giantone 08-06-2009, 07:30 PM McNabb's contract says: you're are quarterback of the present, we're going to pay you to win while we build for the future, while Eli's screams, "we have no plan so please win us some games this year."
LOL..........??? HUH?:doh:
FRPLG 08-06-2009, 08:16 PM Seriously...the argument is basically "yeah but he has a ring?" HE DIDN'T WIN THEM THEIR SB. If you want to argue that he did then do so...but the fact that they won a SB with as QB. in and of itself, is not reason to give him a bank breaking deal. Is he worth it? Does paying him that money make sense? To me, no. I'd rather pay a ringless QB of comparable skill and value half that and use the other half to find some offensive weapons to help my new QB win us another SB. But that's just me I guess.
Lotus 08-06-2009, 08:47 PM Seriously...the argument is basically "yeah but he has a ring?" HE DIDN'T WIN THEM THEIR SB. If you want to argue that he did then do so...but the fact that they won a SB with as QB. in and of itself, is not reason to give him a bank breaking deal. Is he worth it? Does paying him that money make sense? To me, no. I'd rather pay a ringless QB of comparable skill and value half that and use the other half to find some offensive weapons to help my new QB win us another SB. But that's just me I guess.
Eli didn't crumble under pressure like Romo does, either. He's gotten it done when it counts and not every middle-of-the-road qb can do that.
Giantone 08-06-2009, 08:52 PM Seriously...the argument is basically "yeah but he has a ring?" HE DIDN'T WIN THEM THEIR SB. If you want to argue that he . But that's just me I guess.
The argument is what I posted in #154 but yes he did win their super bowl,he was the only Giant QB to take a snap and has the MVP trophy to prove it.
warriorzpath 08-06-2009, 09:08 PM I personally don't think he's worth that massive contract, but at least he has proven that he can win the superbowl. If the contract is not cap-friendly then it ties more money into one player, which is good for the redskins. But a redskins fans like myself can't really say much considering the Haynesworth deal. Now if the redskins win the superbowl, then I will do much more trash talking.
Pocket$ $traight 08-06-2009, 10:25 PM I personally don't think he's worth that massive contract, but at least he has proven that he can win the superbowl. If the contract is not cap-friendly then it ties more money into one player, which is good for the redskins. But a redskins fans like myself can't really say much considering the Haynesworth deal. Now if the redskins win the superbowl, then I will do much more trash talking.
I have a couple of issues with the "what is Haynesworth making?" argument:
One - Eli is making a lot more. Haynesworth's deal is basically 4 for $48M and I don't think they overpaid because multiple teams were in the same ballpark. The reason the Redskins landed him was they offered more guaranteed.
Two - Haynesworth is seen as the absolute best player at his position in the National Football League. He has tools that no one else at his spot possess.
Three - Our team needed a pass rusher. He fit the bill perfectly. All the early results look like he was money well spent.
53Fan 08-06-2009, 11:05 PM I have a couple of issues with the "what is Haynesworth making?" argument:
One - Eli is making a lot more. Haynesworth's deal is basically 4 for $48M and I don't think they overpaid because multiple teams were in the same ballpark. The reason the Redskins landed him was they offered more guaranteed.
Two - Haynesworth is seen as the absolute best player at his position in the National Football League. He has tools that no one else at his spot possess.
Three - Our team needed a pass rusher. He fit the bill perfectly. All the early results look like he was money well spent.
Is there still any doubt about this? If there is, I think it will be cleared up soon enough.
GMScud 08-07-2009, 12:30 AM I don't think that Eli's contract is that ridiculous. He is a proven clutch QB. Now if you want to look at idiotic contracts I would discuss Nate Clements, Asomugha or Stafford's deal before I would focus on Eli's.
I think that Eli owes a lot of this deal to Burress and a great offensive line but I don't think that the Giants made a terrible move by locking him up. In a few years this contract probably won't look so out of line.
I'm not buying the clutch argument. I've said it before- he had a great stretch run in 2007 that carried on into the playoffs, and he won the big one. He was also part of possibly the greatest play in Super Bowl history. I'm not trying to diminish any of that.
But if Eli's career thus far has shown us anything, it's that that phenomenal stretch in late 2007 was more an anomaly than the norm. His career passer rating is very middle of the road, and he's thrown 74 INTs in just 4 full seasons as a starter. Not to mention his yardage total last year was nearly identical to Campbell's. How clutch was he down the stretch last year? He was playing behind the best line in football with THREE very good RB's, and he still couldn't manage to throw a TD to a WR in the last 4 games. Their offense faltered, and it culminated with a downright ugly performance in a 1st round playoff loss.
He's a good QB, don't get me wrong. But he's not great, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to be the highest paid QB in the league. Not even close really.
53Fan 08-07-2009, 12:40 AM I'm not buying the clutch argument. I've said it before- he had a great stretch run in 2007 that carried on into the playoffs, and he won the big one. He was also part of possibly the greatest play in Super Bowl history. I'm not trying to diminish any of that.
But if Eli's career thus far has shown us anything, it's that that phenomenal stretch in late 2007 was more an anomaly than the norm. His career passer rating is very middle of the road, and he's thrown 74 INTs in just 4 full seasons as a starter. Not to mention his yardage total last year was nearly identical to Campbell's. How clutch was he down the stretch last year? He was playing behind the best line in football with THREE very good RB's, and he still couldn't manage to throw a TD to a WR in the last 4 games. Their offense faltered, and it culminated with a downright ugly performance in a 1st round playoff loss.
He's a good QB, don't get me wrong. But he's not great, and he sure as hell doesn't deserve to be the highest paid QB in the league. Not even close really.
I think this tells it pretty straight. :goodjob:
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