Samuels: Campbell has 6-7 games to prove himself (radio quote)

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firstdown
08-03-2009, 12:21 PM
I believe JC did everything he needed to do for us to be successful last year.Could he have done more???Maybe.Even with holes in the o line,he still got the ball to recievers,who would drop the ball at the most inopportune time in just about every game.

Excuse time is over for JC and he did not do everything he needed to do last years for us to be successful.

firstdown
08-03-2009, 12:24 PM
Chris Samuels needs to focus on doing his job better. The reason Jason Campbell is on a short leash, is because he spent too much time getting sacked. If Samuels and his fellow offensive linemen, took it upon themselves to do something about that, the quarterback controversy would cease. Most quarterbacks, given ample pass protection, get the job done. Campbell is not exception. When he has time and the receivers get separation, he delivers. Everyone on this offense needs to do a better job, coaches included.

Sorry but JC causes a bunch of those sacks by holding onto the ball and he often follows one WR and misses the guy wide open.

Southpaw
08-03-2009, 12:39 PM
Sorry but JC causes a bunch of those sacks by holding onto the ball and he often follows one WR and misses the guy wide open.

I don't know many quarterbacks that can have a 62.3% completion percentage, and often miss wide open receivers in the same season. I could throw out an equally ridiculous statement and say that Redskins receivers often drop balls that are thrown directly to them.

As far as Samuels' comment; it's not overly shocking to believe that he'd be yanked in the middle of the season if the team is performing poorly. The main problem with that is, if Collins is named the #2, it's basically a give up move.

MTK
08-03-2009, 12:42 PM
Does JC hold the ball too long at times, sure. But the OL was clearly the primary problem down the stretch last year.

Bill B
08-03-2009, 01:09 PM
Does JC hold the ball too long at times, sure. But the OL was clearly the primary problem down the stretch last year.


This is spot on. I would add also that in the second half of the year the running game kind of came to a halt. Many would probably agree as well that part of the problem with the running game is when you can only effectively run to one side most defense in the NFL will be able to stop you after a while and studying tape. I would agree that if the offensive line gives Campbell time to throw it will only make him more effective, but I would also add that if the offensive line actually allows the team to run to the other side more effectively than it will make us that much more difficult to defend - if we don't teams will simply stack the side we do run to and our offense will be average.

firstdown
08-03-2009, 01:34 PM
I don't know many quarterbacks that can have a 62.3% completion percentage, and often miss wide open receivers in the same season. I could throw out an equally ridiculous statement and say that Redskins receivers often drop balls that are thrown directly to them.

As far as Samuels' comment; it's not overly shocking to believe that he'd be yanked in the middle of the season if the team is performing poorly. The main problem with that is, if Collins is named the #2, it's basically a give up move.

I think his % is up because he throws so many dump off passes that gain just a few yards.

hail_2_da_skins
08-03-2009, 02:19 PM
I think his % is up because he throws so many dump off passes that gain just a few yards.
I do not think you have been watching the same games I've watched. Campbell was very efficient and productive in the first half of the season. He had a very good run game and the play calling caught other teams off guard. In the second half of the season, a few things happened. The scheduled got tougher and the Skins faced division opponents the second time around and the plays that worked the first time around were ineffective. The running game stalled and put more pressure was put on the passing game. Campbell had only two reliable targets, Moss and Cooley. Defenses like the Cowboys, Eagles, Giants and Steelers exploited the lack of weapons and the pass protection broke down. To come down completely on Campbell is unfair. He can make improvements, but the entire offense and scheme needs to improve. Bringing in a scrub like Cutler, Sanchez or even Vick is not going to fix the problem.

Monkeydad
08-03-2009, 03:40 PM
ho hum. the skins are always linked to anyone that looks some what attractive. show me some proof

Exactly, plus, Coach Cohwer would never want Vick trying to throw to Chad Johnson. We need to stick with a QB with more accuracy since Ocho Cinco has lost a step for us. He's not as fast as he was when we traded for him.

GTripp0012
08-03-2009, 04:46 PM
I think his % is up because he throws so many dump off passes that gain just a few yards.I think you're just guessing at that.

It's not true, at least in the sense that you mean. Campbell completed way fewer passes down the field in the second half of the year, but he actually didn't try less. He was just less successful.

Also, his completion percentage did drop by 2.5% over the second eight games, suggesting that the lack of success enjoyed on those deep passes was the reason for the decline.

Anyone who saw the last two games realizes that JC developed a (perhaps unhealthy) gunslinger tendency. Yeah, we were already out of it at that point, and the results produced only a middling passing game, but it's a step in the right direction.

GTripp0012
08-03-2009, 05:37 PM
One thing I can do with the data I have is look only at the distance of completed pass, without the YAC. Following are Campbells longest air pass attempts--any pass that traveled 30 yards in the air or further--and the weeks they occurred in, who it was thrown at, and whether they were complete, incomplete. or intercepted.

1. 59 yards, incomplete, week one, intended for S. Moss
2. 37 yards, incomplete, week one, intended for J. Thrash
3. 32 yards, incomplete, week one, intended for S. Moss
4. 45 yards, incomplete, week two, intended for S. Moss
5. 51 yards, complete (TD), week two, S. Moss
6. 32 yards, incomplete, week three, intended for D. Thomas
7. 33 yards, incomplete, week three, intended for S. Moss
8. 33 yards, complete (TD), week three, D. Thomas (play nullified by personal foul)
9. 44 yards, complete, week four, S. Moss
10. 30 yards, illegal contact foul, week five, intended for J. Thrash
11. 37 yards, incomplete, week six, intended for A. Randle El
12. 46 yards, incomplete, week six, intended for S. Moss (pass dropped)
13. 30 yards, incomplete, week nine, intended for S. Moss
14. 37 yards, incomplete, week nine, intended for D. Thomas
15. 50 yards, incomplete, week eleven, intended for S. Moss
16. 38 yards, incomplete, week twelve, intended for S. Moss (pass dropped)
17. 32 yards, incomplete, week twelve, intended for M. Kelly
18. 55 yards, incomplete, week twelve, intended for J. Thrash
19. 38 yards, intercepted, week thirteen, intended for A. Randle El (QB hit on release)
20. 36 yards, incomplete, week fourteen, intended for S. Moss
21. 63 yards, incomplete, week fourteen, intended for S. Moss (pass marked 'thrown away')
22. 43 yards, incomplete, week sixteen, intended for S. Moss
23. 43 yards, incomplete, week seventeen, intended for A. Randle El

First half: 11 bomb attempts, 3 completions + an illegal contact penalty (league average numbers)
Second half: 11 bomb attempts, 0 completions, no penalties drawn (waste of offensive plays)

Zorn called deep passes at the same if not a more frequent rate in the second half, we just didn't complete any.

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