firstdown
06-28-2009, 10:33 AM
I get your point what was he thinking when he suspended MV. By law people who do their time have the right to go out and get a job but they don't have a right to a job. Its stupid that we even have to have conduct policies to keep these a$$ hole players in line.
wilsowilso
06-28-2009, 05:57 PM
I don't get the "it was a first time offense" argument with regards to Stallworth and Vick?
If the first time you have a run in with the law is when you kill somebody or you slaughter helpless dogs while running an illegal and inhumane gambling den and then you proceed to lie to the Feds as well as the commissioner's face you need to pay. Big time.
KLHJ2
07-02-2009, 01:31 PM
I don't get the "it was a first time offense" argument with regards to Stallworth and Vick?
If the first time you have a run in with the law is when you kill somebody or you slaughter helpless dogs while running an illegal and inhumane gambling den and then you proceed to lie to the Feds as well as the commissioner's face you need to pay. Big time.
Obviously you do not feel that it is a case of "Double Jeopardy", but I do. These men are not only being punished by the Law, but they are being punished again by the commissioner. Is once not enough? We all know that they have to live with those things the rest of their lives...but whatever sure, yeah, just kick a man when he is down, spit in his face and take advantage of his wife while you are at it. As soon as somebody screws up once they should be punished continuously over and over because the rest of us are so all effin perfect.
joethiesmanfan
07-02-2009, 03:05 PM
Matt Jones end of argument
saden1
07-02-2009, 03:23 PM
We have an employee conduct policy at my company and my continued employment hinges on adhering to this policy. I see no reason why the NFL couldn't have a similar policy. You are more than welcome to play in the CFL or XFL, or Burger King if you don't wish to follow the rules. If you feel there has been an injustice carried against you, please feel free to sue.
Slingin Sammy 33
07-02-2009, 03:26 PM
Matt Jones end of argumentAnd Jones' cocaine possesion charge and having alcohol in his system during a random drug test, in accordance with his plea agreement, caused how many people to die, or how many embarassing federal investigations, or how many people paralyzed for life?
I certainly don't think "Matt Jones" makes a definitive point one way or the other.
Slingin Sammy 33
07-02-2009, 03:27 PM
We have an employee conduct policy at my company and my continued employment hinges on adhering to this policy. I see no reason why the NFL couldn't have a similar policy. You are more than welcome to play in the CFL or XFL, or Burger King if you don't wish to follow the rules. If you feel there has been an injustice carried against you, please feel free to sue.or file a greivance through the NFLPA. Great points.
sportscurmudgeon
07-02-2009, 03:55 PM
Angry:
The law allows that someone may remain employed while he/she is being prosecuted for a criminal offense to determine if he/she is guilty. The law does NOT say that the accused's current employer MUST continue to employ him.
The NFL position is that playing there - or working for a team or for the NFL front office - is a privilege. Some events that lead to an arrest are sufficiently notorious that the NFL chooses not to continue the employment of the person being arrested on the same terms as existed prior to the arrest.
By the way, this situation applies to lots of other jobs too. If you are a police officer and you are arrested and charged with possession of narcotics with the intention to distribute the narcotics, the chances are slim that you will remain on the force and out on patrol all the time your case is in process.
Suppose I employ my neighbor's kid to mow my lawn every other week. If the kid is arrested and charged with burglary, do you believe that I MUST continue to employ him until his trial. I don't and I wouldn't.
Double jeopardy applies only to criminal law; it means one cannot be tried for the same time twice such that legal consequences can befall a person. Double jeopardy has nothing at all to do with NFL actions or the actions of any employer. The same thing goes for a social organization.
Suppose I am a member of a Lodge and I do something that gets my name smeared all over the newspapers casting the Lodge in a negative light. They can use their procedures to toss me out of the Lodge. AND I may someday also do jail time if a court convicts me. If that had anything at all to do with double jeopardy, then a court could never try someone after a Lodge tossed them out - - or the NFL suspended a player.
The simplest way for players/employees to stay away from these problems is to behave themselves. Just for example, don't carry an unlicensed handgun on your person and then reveal the presence of that unlicensed handgun by shooting yourself in the leg in a public place with a bunch of witnesses. That is not all that hard to avoid. I have lived more than six decades and have never come close to doing that - - and it took no real effort on my part to reach that level of achievement.