Obama Care

[quote=mredskins;677984]
So I'd like to set an appintment for you in my office so I can sell you maybe 7 to 10 different policies so you don't take any gambles in your ins needs. My point is everyone takes gambles of some kind when it comes to ins protection. Maybe the goverment should now provide dental, life ins. long term care, disability, retiment account, etc... because we dont want anyone to take any risk. Man I just wished everyone was like you and purchased every type of ins. Oh, I forgot cancer coverage, or how about gap ins, and lets not forget mortgage protection. Please bring your check book when you come because this will get pretty expensive nad you might want to take out a second job.




Health Insurance is a necessity a lot of the other insurances you mentioned are luxuries. Do you think a baby or child should have to gamble on their health care because their parent can't find affordable health insurance?

And why the F do you care all it means to you is that you have to get rid of one of your 4 workers and the other 3 will have to pick up the slack of the .5 person worth of work left. Maybe and here is a thought you could cut into your profit or basically your paycheck from your businees and retain that person and give everyone the chance at health insurance in your office. Here are some thoughts on saving money: sell your boat, take fewer fishing trips, don't cut out early to play golf (green fees), or cut back on those business trips you keep telling the govt. you are going on.

In reality the 4th person that you need to layoff should be on here bitching not you, they are the ones getting kicked in the nuts.

Oh I don't know things like the war, the Patriot Act, tax cuts, cutting off stem cell research...Not to veer too far off course here but most of these were passed with bi-partisan approval:

Iraq War Resolution passed House 297-133 (82 Dems voted Yes), Senate 77-23 (29 Dems voted Yes)

The Patriot Act passed by wide margins in both House & Senate. In 2005 it was Re-Authorized by the House 257-171 and the Seante 89-10

The 2001 tax cuts we passed with bi-partisan support. 2003 was close to party line vote (no reconciliation though).

Stem Cell Research was vetoed twice (Bush only vetoed four bills total). Here's the letter he sent to the Senate:
Message to the Senate of the United States (http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070620-5.html)

Let's not compare what Bush did in office to what Obama is doing. Bush did more for many liberal causes and expansion of government than Bill Clinton ever did. Bush 1 and Reagan both worked across the aisle.

Obama and the left in Congress are pushing through legislation that 60% of the country is vehemently against.

[quote=firstdown;678014]




Health Insurance is a necessity a lot of the other insurances you mentioned are luxuries. Do you think a baby or child should have to gamble on their health care because their parent can't find affordable health insurance?

And why the F do you care all it means to you is that you have to get rid of one of your 4 workers and the other 3 will have to pick up the slack of the .5 person worth of work left. Maybe and here is a thought you could cut into your profit or basically your paycheck from your businees and retain that person and give everyone the chance at health insurance in your office. Here are some thoughts on saving money: sell your boat, take fewer fishing trips, don't cut out early to play golf (green fees), or cut back on those business trips you keep telling the govt. you are going on.

In reality the 4th person that you need to layoff should be on here bitching not you, they are the ones getting kicked in the nuts.

You really seem to take account of everyting I post. Thank You.

Not to veer too far off course here but most of these were passed with bi-partisan approval:

Iraq War Resolution passed House 297-133 (82 Dems voted Yes), Senate 77-23 (29 Dems voted Yes)

The Patriot Act passed by wide margins in both House & Senate. In 2005 it was Re-Authorized by the House 257-171 and the Seante 89-10

The 2001 tax cuts we passed with bi-partisan support. 2003 was close to party line vote (no reconciliation though).

Stem Cell Research was vetoed twice (Bush only vetoed four bills total). Here's the letter he sent to the Senate:
Message to the Senate of the United States (http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070620-5.html)

Let's not compare what Bush did in office to what Obama is doing. Bush did more for many liberal causes and expansion of government than Bill Clinton ever did. Bush 1 and Reagan both worked across the aisle.

Obama and the left in Congress are pushing through legislation that 60% of the country is vehemently against.


Umm, the current crop of Republicans in Congress, ummm that dog don't hunt.

[quote=firstdown;678014]
Health Insurance is a necessity a lot of the other insurances you mentioned are luxuries. Do you think a baby or child should have to gamble on their health care because their parent can't find affordable health insurance?

And why the F do you care all it means to you is that you have to get rid of one of your 4 workers and the other 3 will have to pick up the slack of the .5 person worth of work left. Maybe and here is a thought you could cut into your profit or basically your paycheck from your businees and retain that person and give everyone the chance at health insurance in your office. Here are some thoughts on saving money: sell your boat, take fewer fishing trips, don't cut out early to play golf (green fees), or cut back on those business trips you keep telling the govt. you are going on.

In reality the 4th person that you need to layoff should be on here bitching not you, they are the ones getting kicked in the nuts.I don't want to interrupt the back and forth with you and fd, but just wanted to share a couple of things to think about.

1) There are already state programs in place to provide health insurance for children (SCHIP). No new gov't program is needed here.

2) Why should fd or anyone who owns a small business have to cut into their business profits to provide health insurance for someone? If fd choses to offer health coverage it makes it more attractive to employees to work at his company, if he choses not to, that's his choice. He should not be mandated by the government to provide health insurance coverage.

My wife and I own a small restaurant (as a side business, I have a full-time job). Due to the economic downturn, we are working several more hours per week to keep "above water". Can I go to the federal government and have a mandate that my employees have to work for less money per hour so I can cover all the expenses? Will my employees cover the rent for April? Of course not. Keep in mind the financial risk small business owners take before you suggest they just "cut profits".

To be fair to SS33 and 1st Down I have not walked in your small business owner shoes, so I really don't have a leg to stand on.

But I do feel like this country needs some reform in terms of health care the current system is flawed.

Also the quote system is all jacked up for some reason.

Last I checked the people elected Barack Obama with an overwhelming majority who knew, by the way, that he was going to pass universal healthcare as his top domestic priority. This notion that the people are "against" this bill doesn't square with the people voting Democratic majorities to both the House and Senate, and a Democrat into the White House. The polls are all over the place on this bill and have been for sometime. Unfortunately the loudest opponents of it have been getting the most media coverage and have clouded the debate and the merits of the bill.

I say let the dust settle and we'll see who's really against it and who's for it.

To be fair to SS33 and 1st Down I have not walked in your small business owner shoes, so I really don't have a leg to stand on.

But I do feel like this country needs some reform in terms of health care the current system is flawed.

Also the quote system is all jacked up for some reason.You are absolutely right on health care reform, there are flaws in our system and reforms need to be made. We just disagree on the how. Unfortunately the folks we all pay to get it straightened out, haven't (and this goes to both sides of the aisle for many years). I believe the current bill will ultimately do far more harm than good.

Our health care system is fine. It's why people come here for it. Now how much it costs and how insurance works...that's f'd up. I wish it was called what it really is. Health insurance reform.

Not to veer too far off course here but most of these were passed with bi-partisan approval:

Iraq War Resolution passed House 297-133 (82 Dems voted Yes), Senate 77-23 (29 Dems voted Yes)

The Patriot Act passed by wide margins in both House & Senate. In 2005 it was Re-Authorized by the House 257-171 and the Seante 89-10

The 2001 tax cuts we passed with bi-partisan support. 2003 was close to party line vote (no reconciliation though).

Stem Cell Research was vetoed twice (Bush only vetoed four bills total). Here's the letter he sent to the Senate:
Message to the Senate of the United States (http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070620-5.html)

Let's not compare what Bush did in office to what Obama is doing. Bush did more for many liberal causes and expansion of government than Bill Clinton ever did. Bush 1 and Reagan both worked across the aisle.

Obama and the left in Congress are pushing through legislation that 60% of the country is vehemently against.

And Obama didn't try? People on the left were actually criticizing Obama for trying to be bi-partisan, especially after the Republicans clearly were unwilling to compromise whatsoever.

Also, the reason things like the Iraq War and the Patriot Act passed, was because the Republicans made it nearly impossible for politicians to oppose these things. I personally wish that the Democrats had taken a page out of the Republicans when it came to opposing the Iraq War.

Although I find it funny that you bring up the Iraq War (a war started under false pretenses like WMDs and took away from going to Afghanistan and get Bin Laden) and the Patriot Act (a legislation that made it OK to violate people's civil liberties for the sake of security), yet these things were 10 times worst than passing Health Care reform.