Obama Care

What I think I dispise the most is if people aren't happy with how the government is run or how our freedoms are or are not monitered.... get the hell out. You want Socialism move. There are plenty of countries that offer Socialism. No one is stopping you. Go get your government funded health care. Canada is one of them. Not too far from home either. Go enjoy it. But be sure to say hi to everyone when you come back to the US to get decent medical attention.


So what you are saying is at any point we dislike a law or policy, that instead of talking within ourselves in the community, voting for people who have our views, and telling our elected officials what we want, we should move?

I wouldn't (and have always made sure I had coverage since I left home), the cost vs. risk doesn't make sense.

However, I deal with several 18-22 yr. olds on a daily basis and these guys/gals don't make the best decisions or for the most part really have a clue how things work. Most won't even know they got hit with a $ 750 penalty from the Fed until they file their taxes and don't get anything back or have to pay.

And as FD said, the $ 750 will go into the general fund, just like the Medicare tax increase.

If you're an 18-22 yr old you can get coverage through your parents until you turn 25. If you or your parents can't afford it you will get tax credit to purchase insurance. If you can afford it and choose not to, well, you're free to do so after you cough up that $750. Frankly their idiocy no one's fault but their own and their parents.

The fine will be collected by the IRS? It's going to general fund? What general fund? The bill states that the Secretary of Health and Human Services will collect this money (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3590/text?version=eas&nid=t0:eas:2417).

What I think I dispise the most is if people aren't happy with how the government is run or how our freedoms are or are not monitered.... get the hell out. You want Socialism move. There are plenty of countries that offer Socialism. No one is stopping you. Go get your government funded health care. Canada is one of them. Not too far from home either. Go enjoy it. But be sure to say hi to everyone when you come back to the US to get decent medical attention.

It just kills me that people can't enjoy life and their freedoms. I picture a bunch of bored people sitting at home thinking how can they "fix" or "change" things when in reality they are mucking it up. I feel sorry some 30 mill people don't have insurance so why not pass a law in regards to those 30 mill and leave the rest of us alone. You don't have a job or your job doesn't provide insurance apply for government insurance.

I can't wait till the moral majority attacks:

Immigration
Cigaretts
Alcohol
Coffie
Soda
Fried foods

and so on and so forth. I just hope I live long enough for other people to be just as misserable with how their government is screwing them over also so I can sit back and just smile.

I also hope the law suit the states filed resolves this issue.

Using your logic shouldn't you be the one moving?

Using your logic shouldn't you be the one moving?

It's too easy isn't it? Reminds me of Duck Hunt on NES back in the day. Pew Pew Pew.

If you're an 18-22 yr old you can get coverage through your parents until you turn 25. If you or your parents can't afford it you will get tax credit to purchase insurance. If you can afford it and choose not to, well, you're free to do so after you cough up that $750. Frankly their idiocy no one's fault but their own and their parents.

The fine will be collected by the IRS? It's going to general fund? What general fund? The bill states that the Secretary of Health and Human Services will collect this money (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3590/text?version=eas&nid=t0:eas:2417).If you've got a section or page that would be great, the link is taking forever to open. But everything I've seen states that the IRS will collect the $ 750 penalty.

If you've got a section or page that would be great, the link is taking forever to open. But everything I've seen states that the IRS will collect the $ 750 penalty.

The link is to a specific section/sub-paragraph of the bill and the whole page takes time to load. Here is the actual text I am referring to:

(g) Administration and Procedure- CommentsClose CommentsPermalink

‘(1) IN GENERAL- The penalty provided by this section shall be paid upon notice and demand by the Secretary, and except as provided in paragraph (2), shall be assessed and collected in the same manner as an assessable penalty under subchapter B of chapter 68.

What I think I dispise the most is if people aren't happy with how the government is run or how our freedoms are or are not monitered.... get the hell out. You want Socialism move. There are plenty of countries that offer Socialism. No one is stopping you. Go get your government funded health care. Canada is one of them. Not too far from home either. Go enjoy it. But be sure to say hi to everyone when you come back to the US to get decent medical attention.

It just kills me that people can't enjoy life and their freedoms. I picture a bunch of bored people sitting at home thinking how can they "fix" or "change" things when in reality they are mucking it up. I feel sorry some 30 mill people don't have insurance so why not pass a law in regards to those 30 mill and leave the rest of us alone. You don't have a job or your job doesn't provide insurance apply for government insurance.

I can't wait till the moral majority attacks:

Immigration
Cigaretts
Alcohol
Coffie
Soda
Fried foods

and so on and so forth. I just hope I live long enough for other people to be just as misserable with how their government is screwing them over also so I can sit back and just smile.

I also hope the law suit the states filed resolves this issue.

Oh you poor people and your oppressive government...

YouTube - HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED

love that scene

According to an article on CNN today (http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/24/health.care.penalties/index.html), lower income people will be exempt from the tax/fee which starts at $95 in 2014 and jumps up to ~$700 in 2016. Also, Native Americans and certain religions that have some prohibition will be exempt from paying a penalty.
Why would low income get hit with the fee sense they will probably be the ones receiving the goverment subsidy in the first place? I guess may be it time to find god and a religion that is against health care. Hey is the Tea Party a religion? LOL

If you're an 18-22 yr old you can get coverage through your parents until you turn 25. If you or your parents can't afford it you will get tax credit to purchase insurance. If you can afford it and choose not to, well, you're free to do so after you cough up that $750. Frankly their idiocy no one's fault but their own and their parents.

The fine will be collected by the IRS? It's going to general fund? What general fund? The bill states that the Secretary of Health and Human Services will collect this money (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3590/text?version=eas&nid=t0:eas:2417).

Thats the I'm a looser clause in the bill because full time students can allready stay covered under their parents policy until they are out of school. So these are probably the kids who are not going to school and are not working because if they had a job their employer would have to pay for their health coverage and play mommy and dady. Just think of those anti drug comercials and the mom yelling up for the guy to get a job while he is smoking a joint in his bed room.