Obama Care


12thMan
03-21-2010, 06:22 PM
Nancy Pelosi will go down as one of the greatest Speakers in modern day politics.

Slingin Sammy 33
03-21-2010, 08:06 PM
Nancy Pelosi will go down as one of the greatest Speakers in modern day politics.If overseeing a House that has great responsibility for MASSIVE defecit spending, a huge increase in the National Debt, passage of a health bill that has less than 40% support and will be the harbinger of massive tax increases or bankrupting the federal government, quantifies "great", then you are 100% correct.

Lotus
03-21-2010, 08:37 PM
Police and Fire are locally funded (State/county/city etc.) as they should be, not by the fed. Many states/localities have balanced budget requirements. You can also move to a different state if the taxes are too high or the services aren't what you want. Much harder to move out of the country.

And if theives break into a home, the police won't do anything but file a report (which is needed for insurance also), they won't stop the intruder.

Most conservatives understand our system needs some fixes, which have been proposed, not to be taken over and administered by the Fed. As firstdown said, this isn't about healthcare, it's a powerplay by the Dems to make people more dependent on gov't, further entrench themselves in office, and further into our wallets. It's being rammed through now because in Nov. 2010 it won't be possible to get it through.

Over the mountain, I feel very bad for your situation, here's some links that may provide useful info. One is from NIH, they were very helpful for my father when he was I'll with a brain tumor. At that time, my family was in a similar situation financially, not poor enough for gov't programs but didn't have enough to pay for health insurance.

Financial Assistance: MedlinePlus (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/financialassistance.html)

http://www.nachc.com/

Health Insurance - Buy Medical Insurance Plans Online, Affordable Health Insurance Quotes (http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/Alliance?allid=Goo18811&sid=022710-c-40)

RxAssist - Patient Assistance Programs (http://www.rxassist.org/)

Good luck and God Bless.

I am fiercely independent politically and count myself as neither Republican nor Democrat. But this is all about health care. Health care needs to be completely overhauled regardless of which party is pushing it. Stories like Over the Mountain's should not exist in the greatest country on earth and do not exist in some other places. It is just this simple. If the Republicans were trying to power play health care reform on the Democrats, I'd still be all for it.

budw38
03-21-2010, 08:41 PM
Nancy Pelosi will go down as one of the greatest Speakers in modern day politics. What has she done in her 4 years as speaker might I ask ?
Lapse of Estate Tax Raises Doubts About Democrats - US News and World Report (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/01/04/lapse-of-estate-tax-raises-doubts-about-democrats.html) ..... Debate over estate tax likely to wait till 2010 - TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/58665-debate-over-estate-tax-likely-to-wait-until-2010) . Nice post SS33 , Ms Pelosi also wants Americans to give 55 % , or $ 550,000 on one million dollars in inheritance . Cuban's at one time thought Castro was going to go down as the " greatest " , no I'am not comparing the Speaker to PC , just that we are now writing the same types of legislation . I hope if this bill gets signed into law it is as good as they say .... or we are E'FFD .

12thMan
03-21-2010, 08:43 PM
If overseeing a House that has great responsibility for MASSIVE defecit spending, a huge increase in the National Debt, passage of a health bill that has less than 40% support and will be the harbinger of massive tax increases or bankrupting the federal government, quantifies "great", then you are 100% correct.

I see you've used the typical buzz words: "deficit", "tax increases", and "government".

But you fail to point out how the C.B.O. scored this bill and said it will reduce the deficit by, oh, $130 billion in the first 10 years and a little of a trillion in the second ten years.

The Stimulus Bill, a third of which was tax cuts, contained one of the largest tax cuts in history for the middle class. Or the jobs bill, which also passed under Nancy Pelosi's leadership, contains another $15-17 billion in tax breaks.
So the "tax and spend" spin just doesn't square with the major pieces of legislations that Nancy Pelosi has steered through the House. It just doesn't.

12thMan
03-21-2010, 08:58 PM
By the way, I have no desire to reply to each post in defense of Nancy Pelosi or the healthcare bill, for that matter. But I felt it was necessary to push back a little on the portrayal of Nancy Pelosi as incompetent and a tax and spend liberal.

JoeRedskin
03-21-2010, 09:15 PM
Pelosi is many things. Incompetent is not one of them. Tax & spend liberal on the other hand ...

budw38
03-21-2010, 09:19 PM
CNSNews.com - Massive Tax Increases Loom as Democrats Begin to Talk Fiscal Responsibility (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/print/43924) looks like we might have tax increase's ...

wolfeskins
03-21-2010, 09:31 PM
Nancy Pelosi will go down as one of the greatest Speakers in modern day politics.

i've said it before and i'll say it again, obama will go down as the worse president in the history of this great nation. he fooled alot of people into voting for him with his good reading of a telaprompter. people are now realizing they made a huge mistake in voting for this idiot. thats why he and the dummycrats need to push this bill through because every day that goes by more and more people are seeing obama for what he really is.

as for nancy, she's just a puppet for obama. her fall will be almost as mighty as obamas.

Slingin Sammy 33
03-21-2010, 09:36 PM
By the way, I have no desire to reply to each post in defense of Nancy Pelosi or the healthcare bill, for that matter. But I felt it was necessary to push back a little on the portrayal of Nancy Pelosi as incompetent and a tax and spend liberal.By no means is Pelosi incompetent. She's pushing forward her and the left's agenda to move the U.S. towards Euorpean socialism, by any means necessary.

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