Obama Care

Good morning Saden . I like you hope for better HC. You don't think our members of the House and Senate should read the bill , but we the people should ? If as you say , if " we " do not read a bill , we have no right to complain ... thats crazy ... I doubt that 2 % of Americans have ever read any bills , so 98 % of all Americans cannot complain accord to Sadens Law ? We have the right to complain/protest if we so choose ... unless Democrats are in the white house ... Sedition Act of 1918 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918) Japanese American internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Americans_1942) Waco Siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_massacre)

Truth be told, members of Congress rarely read bills in their entirety anyway. Often times they vote on bills for selfish reasons; pork, special projects, or ammendments they've added. But more often than not, they really don't read these bills. That's what staffers are for. The various committees through which the bills are moving are usually where the bills are crafted, read, and understood.

So I find it funny that Leader John Boehner stacks up a 2,000 page prop during a press conference claiming no one knows what's in the bill yet. Really? They pulled the same crap with the stimulus bill.

Now here's a guy with a clue. Why can't we get more dems and reps who think like this guy? Screw the extremists and elect more guys like Mark.

Washington Times - EXCLUSIVE: Warner: Obama misplayed health care debate (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/10/warner-obama-misplayed-health-care-debate/print/)

I don't have all the answer but I do know that Obama has been stressing the long term detrimental cost of our existing healthcare during the campaign and as president. I have no idea what Warner is talking about and my only guess is he's trying to float him name out there just so people still know he exists.

Here's the president's first weekly address dedicated to healthcare...I don't know how much more you can tress the cost aspect of the current system.

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As astute as you are I'm really surprised that you've never noticed his constant dig at the skyrocketing costs of the current system.

I don't have all the answer but I do know that Obama has been stressing the long term detrimental cost of our existing healthcare during the campaign and as president. I have no idea what Warner is talking about and my only guess he's trying to float him name out there just so people still know he exists.

Here's the president's first weekly address dedicated to healthcare...I don't know how much more you can tress the cost aspect of the current system.

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I'm glad you posted this. Because I read Warner's comments again and was like, huh? Obama started out talking about costs during the campaign. Way back when. But whatevs.

I just think selling cost is a tougher sell than coverage.

Lets just hope whatever gets passed < something will sooner than later > , that it is for the better of all Americans , as we are one nation .... have a nice Veterans Day to all .

Good morning Saden . I like you hope for better HC. You don't think our members of the House and Senate should read the bill , but we the people should ? If as you say , if " we " do not read a bill , we have no right to complain ... thats crazy ... I doubt that 2 % of Americans have ever read any bills , so 98 % of all Americans cannot complain accord to Sadens Law ? We have the right to complain/protest if we so choose ... unless Democrats are in the white house ... Sedition Act of 1918 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918) Japanese American internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Americans_1942) Waco Siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_massacre)

Good morning. It's not asking much, if you're going to criticize at least have your T corssed and I dotted. You simply cannot complain without having facts on your side and the best way to do that is to read the bill. I spent all day Saturday watching the house debate and sifted through the bill...it's pathetic but first hand info be best hand info.

As for members of congress it is as 12thMan said. They got their staff reading it and raising red flags for them. There is no problem with this process. There is a problem however if you proclaim something is in the bill and do not verify or whine about how many pages it is. Supreme Court Justices have their clerks, members of congress have their staff.

I'm glad you posted this. Because I read Warner's comments again and was like, huh? Obama started out talking about costs during the campaign. Way back when. But whatevs.

I just think selling cost is a tougher sell than coverage.

I was actually surprised by your initial response...he has been attacking the healthcare problem from all angles from the get go rather than just one angle. I swear, every time he talks about healthcare he mentions long term sustainability of the current system being problematic.

I was actually surprised by your initial response...he has been attacking the healthcare problem from all angles from the get go rather than just one angle. I swear, every time he talks about healthcare he mentions long term sustainability of the current system being problematic.

Yep, I totally mis-read Warner's remarks to the Washington Times, of all newspapers.

Good morning. It's not asking much, if you're going to criticize at least have your T corssed and I dotted. You simply cannot complain without having facts on your side and the best way to do that is to read the bill. I spent all day Saturday watching the house debate and sifted through the bill...it's pathetic but first hand info be best hand info.

As for members of congress it is as 12thMan said. They got their staff reading it and raising red flags for them. There is no problem with this process. There is a problem however if you proclaim something is in the bill and do not verify or whine about how many pages it is. Supreme Court Justices have their clerks, members of congress have their staff.
I do not mean to complain , I'am just stating a concern for a bill that could < I stress could > , lower the quality for some < those who have paid their fair share in taxes/HC-Ins > . 2 could lead to higher debt < yes the Rep's have as bad a record as Dem's , maybe worse > . As I have stated many times , I hope congress passes a bill that will not lower care for the millions that have worked and paid taxes/Ins . for 30 -40 years . I'am not saying that the White House or Dem's in congress are wrong in this matter , the truth is our elected officials do not have a track record IMO for me to just trust the " bill " will benefit us all .... I hope that is does . Only time will tell .

I do not mean to complain , I'am just stating a concern for a bill that could < I stress could > , lower the quality for some < those who have paid their fair share in taxes/HC-Ins > . 2 could lead to higher debt < yes the Rep's have as bad a record as Dem's , maybe worse > . As I have stated many times , I hope congress passes a bill that will not lower care for the millions that have worked and paid taxes/Ins . for 30 -40 years . I'am not saying that the White House or Dem's in congress are wrong in this matter , the truth is our elected officials do not have a track record IMO for me to just trust the " bill " will benefit us all .... I hope that is does . Only time will tell .

This bill is very flawed, there's no doubt that. And I imagine once it comes out of conference the public option will be watered down a little more, but probably more budget friendly in terms of cost. I think Harry Reid is requesting two sets of scores from CBO and the Senate will more than likely move towards the one that has the more favorable score. That's just my speculation.

At this point, unfortunately, I think it's becoming more and more about winning, getting Obama a legislative victory, and less about health care. I think it's solid first step though. But they will have to address the cost containment portion again down the road I suspect, as well as the number of uninsured that will ultimately go into the exchange option.

Here's a good article about how lawmakers are grappling with the rising cost of premiums and overall healthcare savings.

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