Obama Care

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Actually my guess is that it will lead to quite obvious taxes. I didn't read the article, but I don't think any reasonable analysis would find any way that a 800B to 1.2T increase in government spending could not lead to overt increased taxes.

Actually my guess is that it will lead to quite obvious taxes. I didn't read the article, but I don't think any reasonable analysis would find any way that a 800B to 1.2T increase in government spending could not lead to overt increased taxes.
Good morning CRule . I'm more concerned about the Saul Alinsky/Cloward-Piven " strategy" < provided in links > . I smell a rat . I have to get moving ...... have a great day . * not that I want more taxes , Gov't control of " wealth " .

step one passes. on the way to better care for all

step one passes. on the way to better care for all


your joking,right?

obama really can reach accross party lines, can't he. a big middle finger to obama, the 219 house dems and the lone house rep. for cramming this bullsh*t down america's throat. obamas answer to everything is "let the government run it".

cant reach across party lines if everyone says the other side is full of crap. its all about extending ones political career. not for doing the right thing for the people

Just like the energy policy we will be paying more. How is this good for America?

Pretty simple: The house bill = Increased cost in taxes & premiums for all, decreased quality of care for the vast vast majority to increase care for some.

Does nothing to address the heart of the issue - the natural anti-market forces (see Schneed's earlier posts on duplication of services) created by the health care market; medical malpractice costs driven by a small minority of bad physicians and refusal of physicians to punish other physicians; the regulatory costs of pharmaceutical R&D as opposed to production; and physician shortages.

It will take a few years for the full effects of this to be felt - Probably sometime around the mid 2010's, and it will be the next president that will have to deal with ungodly mess. As to costs, my guess is that premiums will increase by at least 50% over the next 5-6 years, medicare taxes to be doubled, and the floor on the wealth surcharge will be substantially lowered. As to quality of care, longer waiting times for care and decreased quality of service (can't make an appt. on time, TS - "we're to busy, you will have to reschedule for six weeks from now", etc.). All the problems that exist now in healthcare provision but greatly expanded - but, yes, a small minority will get healthcare that need it but do not have it now.

Essentially, Obama care takes the existing system - with all its market inefficiencies - xpands it and, in turn, expands the inefficiencies. Rather than addressing and reforming the root causes of ever expanding healthcare costs as part of plan to create a comprehensive healthcare coverage, Obama care simply creates a mandatory expansion of the existing flawed system by adding a government insurer to expensively operate as an insurer of last resort.

Bad legislation created by hyperbole and scare tactics (on both sides of the aisle) that wasted an opportunity for real healthcare reform. Horrible leadership all the way around.

cant reach across party lines if everyone says the other side is full of crap. its all about extending ones political career. not for doing the right thing for the people
Ummm, if you look at any poll most Americans are against goverment run Health Care. I'm guess if passed this bill will coat me about $1 per page per year in either new taxes or inceased HC cost. I'll also bet that before it ever goes into effect the cost projections will increase to almost double. I sad part is none of these guys have even read to over 2000 pages in this bill and if they say they did I say they lie.