Obama Care

8 years of 'W' will do that to you.

I would say the same thing again. No President is going to be derelict and not read what they are signing, regardless of the party. These guys are not dumb, they just play it on TV ;)

Some more red ink to consider:

After 10 Years, Health Care Coverage Costs Turn Into Unfunded Mandate - Political News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/23/years-health-care-coverage-costs-turn-unfunded-mandate/)

From the article: For instance, one of the ways the House is raising funds to offset the cost of the health care reform is by "saving" some $380 billion from Medicare spending, according to the CBO.
But Medicare is already on the brink of collapse. Medicare Part A has $38 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Any savings from Medicare would likely be used to help prevent its own financial problems.
The Medicare Trust Fund also will not have enough money to pay its bills in 2017, just four years into the new reforms and yet no provision has been made to fix that. In fact, Medicare will need another $228 billion just from 2017 to 2019 to pay for promises already made by the federal government.

SS33, do you realize every link you post from Fox is looked upon the same way you look at links from CNN? just wondering

Dmek25, Thats why I try to find another source before posting because I know how the left feels about FOX. Even though I look at CNN as leaning left I do not rule out ever thing they write about and I would hope the people on the left would look at FOX the same way. Last night I missed most of Obama's speach but I did have fun flipping around from FOX, CNN, and MSNBC to get the different slants on what he said.

SS33, do you realize every link you post from Fox is looked upon the same way you look at links from CNN? just wonderingI look at links from CNN as coming from a biased source with a liberal agenda. That doesn't mean I completely discount them as BS. Are there hard numbers in their article/link, if so where do they come from & how are they interpreted.

Anyway if this makes you feel better, here's the Trustees Report:

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ReportsTrustFunds/downloads/tr2009.pdf

My point is our current government medical benefit programs are stressed to point of insolvency in the next ten years without major reforms now. But Obama & the left-wing of the Dem party are trying to ram through another obscenely expensive government program. It doesn't make much sense.

Maybe Obama should be focusing on re-working Medicare and SS, less lofty goals than Universal Health Care, but far more practical and far more of an immediate need. How do you think an Obama re-election would look in 2012 if he achieved even modest success in these areas? Pretty good I'd say. With the control in Congress the Dems have it could easily pass and the Repubs would look real bad trying to stop it.

But again, Universal Health Care isn't the ultimate goal, it's expansion of the federal government to force more dependence and ultimately more confiscation of wealth/property. The only way to save all the benefit programs will be drastic tax increases, and not 1-2% either.

Really it comes down to what is politically feasible. UHC, if it is ever to become real, has to be now. Strong liberal control of both legislative bodies, and a liberal president. If the Republicans gain in the midterm then the focus can shift back to SS/medicare, and paint the Republicans as cry babies. But right now is the time for the liberal base to push through as much dramatic underlying shift as possible. If they are able to, then as they say, to the victor goes the spoils.

Really it comes down to what is politically feasible. UHC, if it is ever to become real, has to be now. Strong liberal control of both legislative bodies, and a liberal president. If the Republicans gain in the midterm then the focus can shift back to SS/medicare, and paint the Republicans as cry babies. But right now is the time for the liberal base to push through as much dramatic underlying shift as possible. If they are able to, then as they say, to the victor goes the spoils.
They have to pass it now before people get a chance to read the thing and realize how bad of a bill is.

.....But right now is the time for the liberal base to push through as much dramatic underlying shift as possible. If they are able to, then as they say, to the victor goes the spoils.
If they push through bad legislation, they will likely lose control of Congress in 2010, and possibly the White House in 2012.

but the legislation will remain, hence my point. right now is the time for them to push radical changes through.

edit:
I don't know if i am really clear but once the republicans boost their representation the liberals will not be able to pass the extreme items of their agenda such as UHC, but they would certainly be able to argue for the salvation of existing programs. So even if this fight costs them seats, they want it because once it is law, no politician would be able to roll back medical care for the poor children that would be splashed across the tv screen.

but the legislation will remain, hence my point. right now is the time for them to push radical changes through. I understand your point, I just hope the American people keep screaming loud enough that the Blue Dogs in the House or enough moderate Senators stop this thing.