Obama Care

FD, did you finally get spell check?

I have spell check for writing letters and stuff I just don't know how to make it work on sites like this.

Do you think your insurance payment will ever go down without regulation from the government? I guess you'd just have to hope and pray the insurance company decides they don't need as much profit (not sure what their profit margins are, but you get my point).

I had personal insurance for 2 years and my premiums went up at least 3 times. During that period I never saw a doctor, nor had any claims, and I was single and 25. Why do you think my premiums went up? My guess is so the insurance company could cover losses elsewhere. So, don't you see, you're already part of a social program.

I guess it comes down to choosing between two evils: corporate greed or government corruption. I suppose I would prefer government corruption -- at least they're accountable (to a degree).

Here I go interjecting again.

A few points to ponder:

1) if the corporation is corrupt, who regulates them?
2) if the government is corrupt, who regulates them?
3) if a corporation is losing money how do they continue to operate?
4) if a government program is losing money, how does it continue to operate?
5) How many private corporations went out of business last year due to failed practices or poor structure?
6) How many government programs have ever been shut down due to failed practices or poor structure?

I guess it comes down to choosing between two evils: corporate greed or government corruption. I suppose I would prefer government corruption -- at least they're accountable (to a degree).

I love getting to the root of this "greed" issue...

When you're searching for a job, all other things being equal, do you go for the one that pays more over the one that pays less?

Are you being greedy if you choose the higher paying job?

If you're shopping for a product, and two products are on the shelf that both will do the job you want them to do, are you being greedy by selecting the less expensive brand?

If you start a business, and you do everything in your power to cut down on expenses to earn as much money as you possibly can, are you being greedy?

What the heck wrong with making a profit? Are you working for free?

Nothing is wrong with making a profit, unless profits are more important than ethics. That is the flaw in the corporate model.

Do you see a problem killing people for profit? That is one way how making a profit can be wrong. What about Madoff? He just wanted to make a profit.

You know this already. Don't let my annoyance to you cloud your judgment. Read my words -- not my username.

Nothing is wrong with making a profit, unless profits are more important than ethics. That is the flaw in the corporate model.

Do you see a problem killing people for profit? That is one way how making a profit can be wrong. What about Madoff? He just wanted to make a profit.

You know this already. Don't let my annoyance to you cloud your judgment. Read my words -- not my username.

What Madoff did was illegal and he will spend the rest of his life in jail. What do you mean killing people to make a profit?

I love getting to the root of this "greed" issue...

When you're searching for a job, all other things being equal, do you go for the one that pays more over the one that pays less?

Are you being greedy if you choose the higher paying job?

If you're shopping for a product, and two products are on the shelf that both will do the job you want them to do, are you being greedy by selecting the less expensive brand?

If you start a business, and you do everything in your power to cut down on expenses to earn as much money as you possibly can, are you being greedy?

You're smarter than that, but I'll spell it out for you, since you asked.

Corporate structure:
Shareholders -> Executive Officers -> Employees

Shareholders want return on investment, but are usually not involved in the everyday activities and/or decisions of the business. They usually only care about the bottom line.

If the executive officers of a corporation are faced with a moral dilemma, and chose the morally right thing to do but profits suffer, the shareholders will elect new officers. If the executive officers want to keep their jobs, they will almost always be forced to choose profits over ethics. See the Ford Pinto as a case study.

What Madoff did was illegal and he will spend the rest of his life in jail. What do you mean killing people to make a profit?

Exactly. He chose profits over ethics. Don't you see a problem with that? Profits don't justify his behavior. Hence, it can be wrong to make a profit if your motives are unethical.

Mercenaries are people who are paid to kill. Think of hit men. Their actions are not justified either by making profits. Just trying to explain that making profits is not always OK.

Exactly. He chose profits over ethics. Don't you see a problem with that? Profits don't justify his behavior. Hence, it can be wrong to make a profit if your motives are unethical.

Mercenaries are people who are paid to kill. Think of hit men. Their actions are not justified either by making profits. Just trying to explain that making profits is not always OK.
Once again both of these are illegal and neither have any thing to do with corporate greed. Individual greed yes.

Once again both of these are illegal and neither have any thing to do with corporate greed. Individual greed yes.

Sigh. Forget it.

Here I go interjecting again.

A few points to ponder:

1) if the corporation is corrupt, who regulates them?
2) if the government is corrupt, who regulates them?
3) if a corporation is losing money how do they continue to operate?
4) if a government program is losing money, how does it continue to operate?
5) How many private corporations went out of business last year due to failed practices or poor structure?
6) How many government programs have ever been shut down due to failed practices or poor structure?

1) goverment
2) goverment
3) Most have to restructure and alter their business model.
4) In the negative or with higher taxes
5) Alot
6) I'll have to say none of the big federal programs have been shut down but I'm sure some of the smaller programs have been for these reasons.