Obama Care

This kind of stuff isn't new -- it's been happening for a long time. Have you always been opposed to it, or just now that a Democrat is in office?

Please give me a time were a president made a national speach about passing something this big when the opposition was not allowed a rebuttal after the speech or town hall meeting. This is also the president who keeps saying he is so bipartisan in what he does.

So if the goverment wants to raise your taxes 10 to 15% your fine with that. Massachusetts has mandated health insurance which started in 2006 at a cost of around 633 million and it now projected to cost around 950 million in 2009. Thats goverment at work for you.

You're going to get ****ed either way, man. Either it's uncle sam doing the thrusting or private corporations. At least public officials are somewhat accountable. Pure, unadulterated capitalism is NOT the answer to every question.

So if the goverment wants to raise your taxes 10 to 15% your fine with that. Massachusetts has mandated health insurance which started in 2006 at a cost of around 633 million and it now projected to cost around 950 million in 2009. Thats goverment at work for you.

What did I tell ya? These fools think health insurance is a human right. :bs:

First off, the question is do I think that universal healthcare is vitally important. The answer is yes. That being the case, am I willing to pay an increase in taxes for that, yes again. I am already paying a significant sum of money for things I would rather not, this is something that I feel is actually a basic, human rights/quality of life issue. You cannot be an advanced society when ANY percentage of your population are denied healthcare. Take a look at defense spending in the same period. I'd be interested to see how much of a difference there is in one as opposed to the other. Too many people get wrapped up in these emotional issues with ideas being labelled "democratic, republican or, oh my heavens, socialist." Sit back, take off your partisan hat and think about the most basic question: Should everyone, let alone every US Citizen, have access to quality healthcare?
First off this coverage will go to anyone who is living in the US legal or not. Second there is not that many people denied health coverage or cannot afford health care to tear apart our health care system. Does it need some work. Yes but goverment is one of the biggest problems with health care coverage today. Goverment F*&$ up everything it touches, SS, Medicad, Medicare, heck even the post office is loosing money. I don't care who comes up with this bad plan I'm not for the goverments power grab of about 10% of the US economy.

Please give me a time were a president made a national speach about passing something this big when the opposition was not allowed a rebuttal after the speech or town hall meeting. This is also the president who keeps saying he is so bipartisan in what he does.

No one is stopping Fox News from having a rebuttal special...they should have a special, they are the "voice of opposition" after all. Oh wait, they have a special every night with special hosts and guests. Don't get mad, get glad.

First off, the question is do I think that universal healthcare is vitally important. The answer is yes. That being the case, am I willing to pay an increase in taxes for that benefit? Yes again. I am already paying a significant sum of money for things I would rather not, whether it's ridiculous research into quack science (http://www.ajc.com/health/content/health/stories/2009/03/23/alternative_medicine_federal_funds.html) or funding poor lending practices, this is something that I feel is actually a basic, human rights/quality of life issue. You cannot be an advanced society when ANY percentage of your population are denied healthcare. Take a look at defense spending in the same period. I'd be interested to see how much of a difference there is in one as opposed to the other. Too many people get wrapped up in these emotional issues with ideas being labelled "democratic, republican or, oh my heavens, socialist." Sit back, take off your partisan hat and think about the most basic question: Should everyone, let alone every US Citizen, have access to quality healthcare?

Depends on what you mean by "quality." Every citizen should have access to Emergency care. But is it everyone's right to access elective-preventative care? I say no, you pay as you go.

What did I tell ya? These fools think health insurance is a human right. :bs:

It's not "health insurance" that is the basic human right, it's the health care. Pay the **** attention and stop distorting the issues. You're so wrapped up in rhetoric that you can't see the forest for the trees. Judging by your previous posts, you feel that spending untold sums haphazardly bombing this country and that is good foreign and fiscal policy. Still worse, you advocate denying citizens of what is supposed to be the preeminent nation in the world basic health care over a worst-case single digit percentage increase in federal taxes. Your logic is flawed at best and can thus be summed up: "Allocating federal funds towards preserving american lives through healthcare is waste. Conversely, spending federal funds on ending the lives of others based purely on philosophical differences is money well spent." That's the kind of logic that I, and most other rational humans, can't seem to understand. Perhaps it requires a form of moral flexibility I don't possess, like the kind necessary to fit my head up my own ass.

Depends on what you mean by "quality." Every citizen should have access to Emergency care. But is it everyone's right to access elective-preventative care? I say no, you pay as you go.

You're the healthcare expert, and I'll defer to that knowledge. That said, isn't prevention generally cheaper than emergency care? Example: Isn't catching a potential cardio vascular problem in the early stages and correcting for it through a diet and exercise regimen is most likely more cost effective than waiting until open heart surgery is required?

Depends on what you mean by "quality." Every citizen should have access to Emergency care. But is it everyone's right to access elective-preventative care? I say no, you pay as you go.

That's a new phrase I haven't heard before. And from the cost perspective? You're in the business of cost analysis...which would you prefer to pay for? Elective-preventative care or emergency care?

First off this coverage will go to anyone who is living in the US legal or not. Second there is not that many people denied health coverage or cannot afford health care to tear apart our health care system. Does it need some work. Yes but goverment is one of the biggest problems with health care coverage today. Goverment F*&$ up everything it touches, SS, Medicad, Medicare, heck even the post office is loosing money. I don't care who comes up with this bad plan I'm not for the goverments power grab of about 10% of the US economy.

Have you been paying attention the last year or so? You want an example of how well the private sector governs itself, look no further than the housing bubble and associated ridiculous lending practices. The ones who trot out the whole "government screws up everything" routine need to keep that in mind for the future.