Obama Care

This guy publicly mentioned he voted for Obama. Fried also believes the gov't has the right to tax people based on behavior that costs society as a whole.

I guess Reagan was a true leader and wasn't afraid to appoint qualified people who didn't necessarily toe the "party line" 100%.

Anywho, looks like the President needs to abide by the Federal judges decision, or appeal to the SC.....good luck with that.

The government does indeed have the right to tax people based on behavior (see alcohol and cigarette excise tax) but in reality they don't have to justify the reason behind an excise tax at all. You can't knock the guy for supporting Obama and stating the obvious when it comes to the constitutionality of excise taxes. Remember, if it isn't unconstitutional when challenged it is constitutional until the next successful challenge.

The score is 2-2 in lower courts and this sucker is heading to the big boys. It's not only Lord Obama who has to appeal. I doubt the boys in black will follow the prescription of the activist judge in Florida... should be interesting to see what happens. Whatever the ruling it is sure to be consequential.

The irony in all of this of course is that the individual mandate was a republican idea...they now can't wait to run away from it. Romney has no hope.

The government does indeed have the right to tax people based on behavior (see alcohol and cigarette excise tax) but in reality they don't have to justify the reason behind an excise tax at all. You can't knock the guy for supporting Obama and stating the obvious when it comes to the constitutionality of excise taxes. Remember, if it isn't unconstitutional when challenged it is constitutional until the next successful challenge.

The score is 2-2 in lower courts and this sucker is heading to the big boys. It's not only Lord Obama who has to appeal. I doubt the boys in black will follow the prescription of the activist judge in Florida... should be interesting to see what happens. Whatever the ruling it is sure to be consequential.

The irony in all of this of course is that the individual mandate was a republican idea...they now can't wait to run away from it. Romney has no hope.
I said back not sure if was this thread or another how all we need to do is look at the failing reform and syrocketing cost to health care in Mass. to see what the Obama plan will do,

The government does indeed have the right to tax people based on behavior (see alcohol and cigarette excise tax) but in reality they don't have to justify the reason behind an excise tax at all.Philosopically, debatable. Practically, yes. However the difference here is a person is forced to purchased heath care. If I don't want to pay a tax on cig, beer, gas, etc. I can chose not to buy them.

You can't knock the guy for supporting ObamaAgain, very much up for debate :laughing-

The score is 2-2 in lower courts and this sucker is heading to the big boys. It's not only Lord Obama who has to appeal. I doubt the boys in black will follow the prescription of the activist judge in Florida... should be interesting to see what happens. Whatever the ruling it is sure to be consequential.At the end of the day I think we'll see a 5-4 ruling against Obamacare.

The irony in all of this of course is that the individual mandate was a republican idea...they now can't wait to run away from it. Romney has no hope.I wouldn't say none, but he's sure dug himself a good sized hole.

The reason they want to force people on health care is because that the only way Obama can push this plan. He wants to force the healthy people to buy ins to pay for all the people with conditions that will now get put into the system.

Philosopically, debatable. Practically, yes. However the difference here is a person is forced to purchased heath care. If I don't want to pay a tax on cig, beer, gas, etc. I can chose not to buy them.

Again, very much up for debate :laughing-

At the end of the day I think we'll see a 5-4 ruling against Obamacare.

I wouldn't say none, but he's sure dug himself a good sized hole.

People who own a home get a tax break at the end of the year. You can choose not to buy a home in which case you won't get a tax break..or should I say get renter taxed. You are free to choose. The fee is a tax and waver of the fee is a tax break...it is all a matter of semantics and antics.

With all this said if Obama care is overturned I still like to see some type of reform.

With all this said if Obama care is overturned I still like to see some type of reform.

There has to be.

Middle class can now get Medcaid.

So they just found this little error in the health care bill that they did not read. Funny how thing are missed when something is not read and I wonder how many other things are hidden in those pages.

Millions in middle-class could get Medicaid - Health - Health care - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43490650/ns/health-health_care)

Middle class can now get Medcaid.

So they just found this little error in the health care bill that they did not read. Funny how thing are missed when something is not read and I wonder how many other things are hidden in those pages.

Millions in middle-class could get Medicaid - Health - Health care - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43490650/ns/health-health_care)

So you're saying the bill should have included a clause that excluded middle class from Medicaid thus making the bill longer and harder to read? If only Cain was president...this whole healthcare bill could have been concisely written on 3 pages.

Don't worry, the fixable will be fixed with more words through the amendment process.

The well for healthcare reform has been poisoned. Republicans have demagogued a position they once firmly espoused - the individual mandate. Without it, I don't see how we bring down costs, while make healthcare affordable and accessible for everyone. I hear a lot of Republicans talking about repeal and replace, but it's going to be extremely difficult to insure the majority of Americans without including, at the very least, some elements of Affordable Care Act.

Firstdown, Mass residents really like the plan instituted under Romney. It would be nice to see the media cover that story at some point.