Obama Care

Lots of doctors order unnessary test so they don't get sued. A good portion of those test are done by specialist and the doctor ordering them makes nothing of them.

Right, which is why they'd institute the new methodology. One payment to cover everything, and then it's up to the providers to figure out a way to share that payment.

Then there's a downward pressure on ordering extra tests to counterbalance the risk of getting sued. It makes them walk the line.

This was a simple vote that lets the Republican Representatives say we did what you said you wanted, in order to get it accomplished, we need a different Senate and President.

In 2012, when the country "really" votes (and I mean all those who only show up for the presidential elections - about a 20% swing in voter turnout):
the Republicans will point to 2010 saying they tried to repeal it, but need the Senate and Presidency to go along
the Democrats will point to 2008, and say we listened to the whole nation but now the vocal minority is blocking true reform.

Right now, it could go either way (regardless of current polling data)

I never said CBO is irrelevant, but it does not make judgements on the information presented to it by Congress, it only calculates exactly what is presented.

I've seen presentations from independent consultants back the CBO's findings, at least in terms of order of magnitude. Sorry, I can't take a conservative-leaning publication's word for it. If I'm truly thinking fairly, there's no reason for me to believe this is any more credible than independent sources.

They say x y z was doulbe counted in the numbers, but don't show their math or indicate who did the math.

Further, if repealing this is really important, you work the positives accomplish what you can and then, in 2012, turn to the public and say:

"Look at our successes, we know how to work together. Obama has said he would veto any repeal of his healthcare law so we didn't waste our time with that. HOWEVER, this is it folks, we get one shot at repealing this bill before it gets to entrenched into the business cycle. In order to do so, we need a Republican president to sign the bill; without a Republican Pres., Obamacare will not go away. Vote Republican and let us finish what we started in 2010."

Turn 2012 into a referendum on Obamacare. Assert that a Rep. pres. and Congress can find a way to repeal it at little or no cost (and then come up with a legitimate way to do so). It's a high risk/high reward kind of strategy that requires careful thought out planning and legislative victories now. Which is exactly why the Republicans can't pull it off.
Ahh the fairy dream of positive accomplishments.

The Democratic Senate and Presidency aren't going to give the Republican House any but the smallest of positives, and they will parlay them into big bad negatives. The Democrats have this type political strategy down to a science. Further, Pres Obama will play any "concession" made to the Republicans into the "evil corporations" mode, or some form of fear mongering.

The Republicans had to make this vote now, in order to avoid their constituency attacking them as not doing what they promised. Now the House Republicans can (but probably won't) take any small victories and say we tried to do more, but the Democrats blocked us. I doubt the Republicans have the ability to avoid looking like selfish, corporate suits, (cuz most are), but this initial vote simply set the stage for the 2012 referendum on Obamacare that you talked about.

First, the ONLY poll that I've seen Obama under 50% is Rassmussen, which is far right. But most he's between 50%- 53%, let's hope it lasts!

Newt Gingrich? Please tell me you're kidding.

NG is a damn genius. No joke. Take away his well earned negative image and just listen to him speak on issues. You may not agree with him but he is the most articulate, well-informed and proactive politician I have ever heard. I think under the bad image is a politician that would do a remarkably good job as president in putting together bipartisan solutions. There's more than one reason he hasn't sought office..one of them is because the idiots who run the 'pubs don't like that he isn't a talking points guy. Gingrich really is an idea guy.

Naw, Newt is wicked smaat. No doubt. One minute he's tossing red meat the masses, the next he's saying something brilliant. Funny, I think he and Al Sharpton are working with the White House on education reform.

Talk about Oscar and Felix.

Right, which is why they'd institute the new methodology. One payment to cover everything, and then it's up to the providers to figure out a way to share that payment.

Then there's a downward pressure on ordering extra tests to counterbalance the risk of getting sued. It makes them walk the line.

Makes no sense without ourt reform. What will happen is doctors will still have to order the test but now he will start eating the cost. DR. tells Obama care to Fu^% Off because they can make more money doing something else.

i don't disagree with the mans intelligence. he is much like every other politician. his words don't match his voting record. he learned a long time ago, which the president is learning right now, the the almighty dollar controls the vote. most politicians are not whom they seem to be

i don't disagree with the mans intelligence. he is much like every other politician. his words don't match his voting record. he learned a long time ago, which the president is learning right now, the the almighty dollar controls the vote. most politicians are not whom they seem to be

I would beg to differ. Newt pretty much says and votes along the same lines. That whhy the liberal press and the dems attacked him back in the 90's while he was speaker of the house.

I would beg to differ. Newt pretty much says and votes along the same lines. That whhy the liberal press and the dems attacked him back in the 90's while he was speaker of the house.

Hold your horses. NG is smart. Ignoring political winds to stay principled is not smart (at least it doesn't achieve anything in our system). NG played the politics game as much as anyone if not more. See exhibit A: Monica Lewinski