Obama Care

I am going to address this from a completely different perspective. I believe that there is an equal necessity for both a private choice of health care and a Government provided universal healthcare.

Do we not have a universal public education system that provides a means for all people to be afforded the same educational opportunities for the masses? How many of us would actually be educated right now if only those that could afford to send their kids off to school to get an education were educated? Granted the Public school systems may not be the best, but at least they are something.

I believe that just like public education there must be some form of health care provided for every citizen. This health care should be run by the state and local governments just like public education is. If you can afford better, then by all means go buy yourself something better, but lets not deprive those of a necessity. Health care is a necessity and more so than education as far as I'm concerned.

If you truly believe that this is an extreme act of socialism then withdrawl your kids from their public schools.

I don't see that a gov't option as being "oppressed." Let's not get crazy here, no one is inviting Queen Elizabeth over the pond. Specifically regarding taxation without representation, no one is doing anything with that. IF our elected officials pass some form of this plan, then it's the will of the people, maybe not all of the people, but the majority. It's not something being forced upon the taxpayers by the divine will of Lord Obama.

We don't need anyone else's queen, we've got our King Obama to save us.

The English were content as well under King George, they did not revolt, but our country was founded on individualism and limited government. We are well past anything King George ever imposed on the colonists. He would, in fact, have loved the trappings of the Presidency.

Can you blame the media? Can you blame them? I mean, they're the ones that actually have to ask the questions! :doh: And here the responses :confused: Forgive them if they're happy to FINALLY have a President that can speak in complete sentences! A president that can answer their questions. A president that won't throw them out of the room for asking the "wrong question". Its just.........Its weird man! I mean, remember the last Supreme Court nominee? The lottery chick? Can you imagine being in the media and having to go through that? Having to ask the questions? Particulary, why he appointed a Lottery chick? Just think about it from their perspective for a minute...............And give them a break man. Give us a break! We're still getting used to it.

What are you even talking about? Your point is we have a Prez who can "speak in complete sentences" and who "finally answers questions?" Please. He's not answering anything that wasn't scripted by Gibbs/Emanuel ahead of time, or that isn't on his teleprompter. He doesn't throw people out of the room for asking the "wrong questions," he just simply doesn't call on the reporters who he knows will ask the "wrong questions." And you want to talk about appointees? Really dude? Were you paying attention right after the inauguration when several of Obama's big nominees had to withdraw because they can't pay taxes properly?? Come on.

Did you even read the link I provided? He didn't answer anything yesterday. It's pretty obvious you're still enamored with Obama mania. Kind of like the way the media giggles and coos at every little quip that comes out of his mouth. It's so annoying.

I am going to address this from a completely different perspective. I believe that there is an equal necessity for both a private choice of health care and a Government provided universal healthcare.

Do we not have a universal public education system that provides a means for all people to be afforded the same educational opportunities for the masses? How many of us would actually be educated right now if only those that could afford to send their kids off to school to get an education were educated? Granted the Public school systems may not be the best, but at least they are something.

I believe that just like public education there must be some form of health care provided for every citizen. This health care should be run by the state and local governments just like public education is. If you can afford better, then by all means go buy yourself something better, but lets not deprive those of a necessity. Health care is a necessity and more so than education as far as I'm concerned.

If you truly believe that this is an extreme act of socialism then withdrawl your kids from their public schools.

Good post. There should be choice, and both should be available. I'm sure the logistics of implementing this kind of system would be complex, but cut and dry, I agree with you here.

Do we not have a universal public education system that provides a means for all people to be afforded the same educational opportunities for the masses?No we do not. Public education is a state/local responsibility (as it should be). Approximately 6% of public school funding comes from the Fed.

I believe that just like public education there must be some form of health care provided for every citizen. This health care should be run by the state and local governments just like public education is. If you can afford better, then by all means go buy yourself something better, but lets not deprive those of a necessity.If a state wishes to provide free health care for its citizens, by all means go ahead. As long as that state is only taking a minimal percentage of financial support (under 6%) from the Fed to fund this and the program doesn't overlap with programs that already exist (Medicare/Medicaid). Also when the state goes belly up (CA) the Feds don't bail the state out unless the state reduces programs/services and pays the Fed back with interest in under 10 years.

This isn't about access to health care for everyone, there are plenty of avenues for people to get health care. This debate is about expanding the federal government's control into peoples lives. The last two times since 1900 that the left had supermajority control of the federal government we came away with social programs that are threatening to bankrupt the country (FDR - New Deal, L. Johnson - Great Society, Medicare/Medicaid). What Obama and the left in Congress are attempting to jam through (Univ. Health Care, Env Reforms, gov't takeover of GM, etc.) will push the government much closer to insolvency or the need to institute massive tax increases on all Americans. Everything has a price. Either monetarily or with freedoms lost.

I'm not willing to sacrifice my family's access to quality & timely health care or the financial independence of future generations to provide health care under a massive, ineffiecent government bureacracy to under 10% of the population. Why should I make those sacrifices when this 10% currently isn't willing to make the sacrifices necessary to provide health care to themselves or their families. Health care options are readily available in the private sector for those willing to work for them.

P.S. No one supporting Obama Care has provided an effective response to my point about CER, or are folks on the left OK with this?

http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/30288-obama-care-2.html#post564312

I am going to address this from a completely different perspective. I believe that there is an equal necessity for both a private choice of health care and a Government provided universal healthcare.

Do we not have a universal public education system that provides a means for all people to be afforded the same educational opportunities for the masses? How many of us would actually be educated right now if only those that could afford to send their kids off to school to get an education were educated? Granted the Public school systems may not be the best, but at least they are something.

I believe that just like public education there must be some form of health care provided for every citizen. This health care should be run by the state and local governments just like public education is. If you can afford better, then by all means go buy yourself something better, but lets not deprive those of a necessity. Health care is a necessity and more so than education as far as I'm concerned.

If you truly believe that this is an extreme act of socialism then withdrawl your kids from their public schools.

I did.

P.S. No one supporting Obama Care has provided an effective response to my point about CER, or are folks on the left OK with this?


Well, using Angry's above scenario, there's no need. If someone prefers an alternative regimen with a low chance of success, they are fully within their rights to pursue it, but at their own expense. How is this a problem? And Healthcare companies may not use the term CER, but they definitely make it very hard for anyone to pursue expensive treatments.

Well, using Angry's above scenario, there's no need. If someone prefers an alternative regimen with a low chance of success, they are fully within their rights to pursue it, but at their own expense. How is this a problem? And Healthcare companies may not use the term CER, but they definitely make it very hard for anyone to pursue expensive treatments.
It will be even tougher when the goverment has to ration care because of cost spiralling out of control.

Ubuntu is not bulshit but a way of life. It is a philosophical answer if you understand it. You clearly don't understand it or have it. You are Ubuntuless!As is DVOA, but I find most people prefer actual, real-world answers to questions.

It will be even tougher when the goverment has to ration care because of cost spiralling out of control.

All the Obama Care has to do too fix this is raise the taxes on the rich some more. :)