Obama Care

I think a society that can ensure that it's citizens are provided for heathwise, must. For me, it goes back to how you define your level of civilization. What makes one country "third world" while another is first? A large component of the answer to that question is the quality of life of its citizenry. There is no more important issue than health, and there is absolutely no good reason that a society as advanced as ours should have a segment of the population without access to healthcare. In my opinion, any other view is callous and shortsighted.

so right now we are closer to 3rd world because we have private healthcare that provides above average healthcare to atleast 70% of the population, and emergency care to anyone who walks into an emergency room. In 1950s and 60s we were 3rd world?? what you speak of is madness sir. it is a failed philosophy that government can provide all. the backbone of america was in fact individuals holding their own responsibility for their needs, and the government providing an environment that allowed them to pursue it however they saw fit. as Trample said before, if you want to give your checks to the government fine, I prefer to give mine to charities and those in my area and my life who are needy. if we do that, those who are truly needy will certainly be cared for, even if they are reported as uncovered for the government's purposes.

See my response above. Why ask a question when all it takes is a little research to arrive at the answer?

I love it when saden baits.

I love it when saden baits.


It is easy to trap the inexpert.

... In my opinion, any other view is callous and shortsighted.

Short-sighted, in my opinion, is asking a government who:

a) has a debt and deficits that are ungodly and will be for a long time
b) already has a program - social security - which is in dire need of repair
c) has a strong founding principle of individual responsibility over communal property

to suddenly take over a system that substantially works for the vast majority:
-51% is a majority,
-70 % would be a solid majority
-by your numbers 47million out of 300+million or 80% qualifies as a super majority
-90+ % using George Will's 20million, would qualify as a vast majority


Let's get our deficit down, debt down, Social Security stabilized, reduce our overseas military, and generally live within our means as a country. Once that is done, then let's talk about it. of course, if we did all those things, I am willing to bet that we would be able to find other ways to resolve this than looking to a federal bureaucracy.

When we can provide health benefits to 100% of our citizens for a fraction of our defense spending, yeah, I say do it. It's not ridiculous, it's enlightened. To that end, i'll leave this discussion with a quote.

“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic” Fyodor Dostoyevsky
What do you mean by a fraction of our defense spending? If I'm correct we are already spending more on health coverages then defense and it sure will not be a fraction.

United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget)

Your love for Obama only makes you blind to the stupid crap he does every day.

Sorry if I sound like I love the guy...............I can't help it! Its just great to here my President speak English AND use complete sentences while doing it! I'm sorry if I get a little excited over that, but it is about time you know...

I mean, its weird man. This guy can actually look you in the eye and answer your question. He can actually speak to you in a way that you can understand what he's talking about. He won't say..........I wish you wrote that question down beforehand so I would know how to respond..............He will, GET THIS! actually answer it! I love that! I just can't help it! I love it!

I'm sorry..................you were talking about someone being stupid? Whose Stupid?

so right now we are closer to 3rd world because we have private healthcare that provides above average healthcare to atleast 70% of the population, and emergency care to anyone who walks into an emergency room. In 1950s and 60s we were 3rd world?? what you speak of is madness sir. it is a failed philosophy that government can provide all. the backbone of america was in fact individuals holding their own responsibility for their needs, and the government providing an environment that allowed them to pursue it however they saw fit. as Trample said before, if you want to give your checks to the government fine, I prefer to give mine to charities and those in my area and my life who are needy. if we do that, those who are truly needy will certainly be cared for, even if they are reported as uncovered for the government's purposes.

I know you didn't actually take anything i said to mean that we were closer to the 3rd world than first. My take is that to stay a first world going forward, we need to look at the areas we are currently lacking in. To me, that is healthcare, pure and simple. I don't think the gov't needs to be involved in all aspects of life, but this is one with which I have no issue.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How is health not intrinsic to two thirds of that statement?

I know you didn't actually take anything i said to mean that we were closer to the 3rd world than first. My take is that to stay a first world going forward, we need to look at the areas we are currently lacking in. To me, that is healthcare, pure and simple. I don't think the gov't needs to be involved in all aspects of life, but this is one with which I have no issue.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How is health not intrinsic to two thirds of that statement?
Well maybe we sould look at the current stuff that the goverment is doing wrong and fix them first before it tries to take on anything else. I'd take goverment run health Care if I could opt. out of SS and have back 1/2 of the money they have allready taken from me.

Well maybe we sould look at the current stuff that the goverment is doing wrong and fix them first before it tries to take on anything else. I'd take goverment run health Care if I could opt. out of SS and have back 1/2 of the money they have allready taken from me.

See, that I'm ok with.

See, that I'm ok with.
Problem is they don't have that money to give back to start with. They stole the money from SS and if any investor did anything close to that they would be in jail. See SS sould have been very easy for the goverment to run. You take in the money but it in a safe place then pay it back when the person retires. They even had the advantage if the person died with no family they goverment got to keep the money unlike a private investment companies. Now people want me to have the confidence in them to run Health Care which is 100% more complicated then saving for retirement.