Obama Care

Spread the wealth. Gotcha.

I think the policies and thinking of the right in general encourages the initiative of the individual. It fosters more of an attitude of self-reliance instead of being provided for by big government. "Self-concerned" implies that they don't care about anyone else. I don't think that's true.
Nice post GM. You are spot on IMO about initiative and self-reliance . Two examples , 1) in 2003 I guy blew through a parking lot , on to the highway and slammed me , pretty much destroying my car . We < Va. > a few years earlier had Gov. Gilmore ( R ) , reduce the car tax 70% , the result was I bought a newer $20,000 truck .Had we still had to pay the full tax rate , I would have bought a 5,000 truck , which the state would have collected less in taxes , and less fuel efficient . 2) with lowering of Capitol gains taxes < NG / Bush > I trade more , win for me , more taxes for uncle Sam .

Whoa whoa - nice generality there Matty. First, is FD running sweatshop? or is he providing a good wage to his employees? Does he treat them well in general? Doesn't that show a level of concern? All of a sudden your employer is a selfish prick if he is more concerned with keeping the business running and profitable? Do you understand that every additional mandated expense means fewer people employed by a small business?

"the greater good"?? Perhaps keeping more people employed as opposed to fewer with better benefits is the greater good.

Ding ding ding!!

Whoa whoa - nice generality there Matty. First, is FD running sweatshop? or is he providing a good wage to his employees? Does he treat them well in general? Doesn't that show a level of concern? All of a sudden your employer is a selfish prick if he is more concerned with keeping the business running and profitable? Do you understand that every additional mandated expense means fewer people employed by a small business?

"the greater good"?? Perhaps keeping more people employed as opposed to fewer with better benefits is the greater good. I worded for FD , one day I showed up late , first he docked me pay , then he tried to make a cowboys jersey all day , when I said no , he hit me and stuff..... I'm so embarrassed :)

Spread the wealth. Gotcha.

I think the policies and thinking of the right in general encourages the initiative of the individual. It fosters more of an attitude of self-reliance instead of being provided for by big government. "Self-concerned" implies that they don't care about anyone else. I don't think that's true.

I thought self concerned was less harsh than self centered, and really what I mean is not selfish, just more concerned about his/her own immediate situation.

The right is selfish and says "F you" to the rest of society; The left is all about helping people and "the greater good".

Yah - No condescension in that sentiment.

Really not what I meant at all

The right is selfish and says "F you" to the rest of society; The left is all about helping people and "the greater good".

Yah - No condescension in that sentiment.
Would the position of " the left "be .... If john gets an A , and Susan gets an F , that we should change Johns A to C and Susans F to C for the common good ? Maybe for the good of college football the NCAA should ask the SEC to stop playing in the BSC Chamionship so the Big Ten or Pac 10 can win one :) .

The right is selfish and says "F you" to the rest of society; The left is all about helping people and "the greater good".

Yah - No condescension in that sentiment.

No the right say's "F you" to stupid post like this. Funny how everytime the left uses the term (the greater good) they stick out their hands wanting everyone else money. Hey they do have organizations you can join to rais your own money to donate to who ever you want to help. Stop begging and start earing.

I thought self concerned was less harsh than self centered, and really what I mean is not selfish, just more concerned about his/her own immediate situation. That may be true for some , probably like a father who uses " tough love " when rasing his son , so he will be " better " prepared for adulthood , when some may see the father as less compassioante ?

I'm beginning to think this is becoming a pointless thread. Just like in the real debate, those on the opposing side have dug in and won't budge, those that are for this reform keep attacking those that oppose it, and both side will shit on anyone who stands in the middle.

Do you not you feel a certain level of responsibility for your employees or is it all about everyone for themselves?

I mean this is basically the fundamental difference between the left and right. The right is generally more self concerned and the left is generally more willing to give for the greater good of everyone else.

We are all free to do as we please so long as we're not breaking the law. If FD doesn't want to provide care for his employees that's perfectly fine. When his employees vote for a Socialist Marxist Tyrant who collects a 90% tax on his business income that's fine too. All battles are won and lost in the ballot box, conservatives and liberals need to stop their insipid whining and go win in the f*cking ballot box battles.

p.s. Don't worry conservatives, you don't have to do shit for anybody and I don't expect you to but I will be damned if I don't vote.