Obama Care

Why must you always use logic , and facts ??? :)

So you call the Iraq War logic?

What's sort of perplexing to me is that their new strategy is: Repeal, Reform, and Replace. In other words, they are going to propose an entirely new bill to replace the one that just passed. Huh?

How they plan on jumping from a meager 3 million being covered to 32 million without making some wholesale changes to the current system is beyond me.

They are beyond absurd. How do they plan on getting it through the senate and signed by the president is beyond me. These silly people are just that, silly and not to be taken seriously.

Why must you always use logic , and facts ??? :)


Yeah i know its not emotional enough to make a good decision on!

Although I find it funny that you bring up the Iraq War (a war started under false pretenses like WMDs and took away from going to Afghanistan and get Bin Laden) and the Patriot Act (a legislation that made it OK to violate people's civil liberties for the sake of security), yet these things were 10 times worst than passing Health Care reform.I didn't bring up the Iraq War, Matty did and I was responding to him.

To your points: on Iraq, hindsight is 20/20. The Iraq War resolution was bi-partisan and the intel that was used as a basis to move forward with the war came from a Clinton hold-over. Bush's biggest mistake was keeping any Clintonites around.

Please give me one example of the Patriot Act being used to falsely imprison or prosecute an American citizen.

Protecting U.S. citizens from terrorist attack is far more important than this particular health reform bill.

I didn't bring up the Iraq War, Matty did and I was responding to him.

To your points: on Iraq, hindsight is 20/20. The Iraq War resolution was bi-partisan and the intel that was used as a basis to move forward with the war came from a Clinton hold-over. Bush's biggest mistake was keeping any Clintonites around.

Please give me one example of the Patriot Act being used to falsely imprison or prosecute an American citizen.

Protecting U.S. citizens from terrorist attack is far more important than this particular health reform bill.

I don't have as radical negative opinion of the Patriot Act as some people on the left do. My point is that some people act like this Health Care reform is the worst thing in the world and that the world itself is going to end because of it. To me, making the decision to go to war with Iraq with questionable purposes, without an exit strategy, and without an end, is far worst than this Health Care bill.

So you call the Iraq War logic?
I did not specify the war . The truth is , for the 10 years prior to the war ,the Clinton Admin. bombed Iraq , drafted a war act < 97 I think > and used the WMD/ Nuke threat . Al Gore stated throughout the 90's that Iraq had WMD's and ties to terror groups < all on youtube > . The FBI and CIA directors < Clintons > were on the WMD reports . France/Germany and Russia stated in the Security Council meetings they believed Iraq had WMD's.... hell Dems were stating that Rumsfeld supplied WMD's to Iraq . Iraq did have a WMD program , how far it was advanced , nobody knows , how much of a threat was Iraq to us in 2001 , don't know that either . As far as the Patriot Act .... every single American living between south NJ through Boston .... are very , very .... very lucky we had a patriot act ! Had we not had some bums like Gorelick American Thinker: Mistress of Disaster: Jamie Gorelick (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/mistress_of_disaster_jamie_gor.html) in our Gov't .... maybe we would have been better off to begin with .

To me, making the decision to go to war with Iraq with questionable purposes, without an exit strategy, and without an end, is far worst than this Health Care bill.In terms of immediate loss of U.S. life the Iraq War decision is certainly worse. However how many lives did we save in the process, be they U.S., Iraqi, or possibly other nations that could've been a victim of terrorism sponsored or funded by Saddam or people murdered directly by Saddam and his regime. The Kurds are certainly glad we overthrew Saddam.

In terms of money, this health care bill is likely to be far worse than expenditures on the Iraq War in overall burden to the National Debt.

I agree with you that the country is certainly not going into a revolution or the world stop spinning on it's axis because of this law. However, with this new law we will see a further erosion in personal freedoms/personal choice, further intrusion into the private secor by the federal government, further expansion of the federal government's power over the states, increased taxes and an increase in the National Debt. Providing health coverage for the uninsured, working through the pre-existing conditions issues, and allowing more competition for health coverage could've been done in a different way.

I did not specify the war . The truth is , for the 10 years prior to the war ,the Clinton Admin. bombed Iraq , drafted a war act < 97 I think > and used the WMD/ Nuke threat . Al Gore stated throughout the 90's that Iraq had WMD's and ties to terror groups < all on youtube > . The FBI and CIA directors < Clintons > were on the WMD reports . France/Germany and Russia stated in the Security Council meetings they believed Iraq had WMD's.... hell Dems were stating that Rumsfeld supplied WMD's to Iraq . Iraq did have a WMD program , how far it was advanced , nobody knows , how much of a threat was Iraq to us in 2001 , don't know that either . As far as the Patriot Act .... every single American living between south NJ through Boston .... are very , very .... very lucky we had a patriot act ! Had we not had some bums like Gorelick American Thinker: Mistress of Disaster: Jamie Gorelick (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/mistress_of_disaster_jamie_gor.html) in our Gov't .... maybe we would have been better off to begin with .Good points, all.

Good points, all. Thank you . I do not like war , I would guess 95 % of Americans would love to never see a war . Of course , had Saddam allowed the U.N. WI team into Iraq in early 2002 , this war would have never happened ? Maybe one day we have fewer bums like Hitler/Stalin/Castro/Hugo and maybe more nations work to keep any dictator from ruling over others . When does our NFL season start :)

Thank you . I do not like war , I would guess 95 % of Americans would love to never see a war . Of course , had Saddam allowed the U.N. WI team into Iraq in early 2002 , this war would have never happened ? Maybe one day we have fewer bums like Hitler/Stalin/Castro/Hugo and maybe more nations work to keep any dictator from ruling over others . When does our NFL season start :)Our draft just got finished.