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John Denny 06-18-2009, 11:12 PM no thanks. guy is a good wr, but also is batshit crazy. if we want to to blow some money or draft picks, it should be on someone for the OL. i say we keep our picks and hope for some real results from at least someone named williams, thomas, and/or kelly.
This is a good point. Marshall is a beast but how much difference with an aging line. Plus, where are we going to find the money to pay this woman-beater?
If we were to pull the trigger, I'd offer a 2nd and a 3rd in 2011. Marshall would instantly become our undisputed No.1 WR. The guy is big, strong, fast and can flat out reel the ball in. He had 18 catches in one game last year and is averaging something like 100 catches over the past two years.
Hopefully, Thomas and or Kelly will show up this year. God knows we're going to need them. Moss and Cooooley can't do it by themselves.
GTripp0012 06-18-2009, 11:29 PM Nice observation...it's like somehow we hear JC as a reason to not bring in talent on the one hand cuz he's not up to par and then like he's the main reason we need to bring in extra talent on the other hand, again cuz he's not up to par. Whatever...
JC is on par w/ the classiest players in the game. His attitude and behavior is beyond reproach and I can think of 1) no other guy I'd rather have leading this team 2) no other guy who deserves success more.I was about to reassure you that the Campbell haters have no influence in personnel decisions and thusly that their opinions largely do not matter...but then I thought about it a little more and decided that I should probably not go there, given the events of this offseason.
Ruhskins 06-18-2009, 11:44 PM Exactly. Ben is a playmaker and the Steeler franchise is just solid from top to bottom. They could take our receivers and win the Super Bowl with them. Ben got sacked a ton, but no one used that as an excuse for poor QB play. He kept plays alive with his feet, shed tackles and got the ball downfield.
Well the reason Big Ben is a playmaker is because he was thrown in the fire and was allowed to play from day one. Ben has 72 career starts, so I would call him a veteran, as such he is expected to carry his team if necessary, although he has had an elite defense along the way. Unfortunately, in our team, Gibbs didn't trust Campbell as a rookie and he didn't get the same experience as Ben. Campbell has half the experience (36 starts) than Big Ben, and honestly I don't think anyone has expected him to carry the team on his back or win games. Yes, Campbell played shitty when his offensive line and running game disintegrated, but also the Redskins defense last year was not up to the level of Pittsburgh. I don't think anyone is that shallow to just say that the Redskins did not well just b/c Campbell got sacked a lot.
Furthermore, why are you guys dogging the Steelers WR group? You mean to tell me that Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, and Santonio Holmes are not good enough to be considered part of the reason of the Steelers' success over the past couple of seasons?? I mean the Steelers have had a top 5/top 10 defense for a while, and a pretty strong running game (two back system for most of the time), but you guys make it sound like their wideouts were just some guys they got off the street or something.
GTripp0012 06-18-2009, 11:52 PM Exactly. Ben is a playmaker and the Steeler franchise is just solid from top to bottom. They could take our receivers and win the Super Bowl with them. Ben got sacked a ton, but no one used that as an excuse for poor QB play. He kept plays alive with his feet, shed tackles and got the ball downfield.These things are not mutually exclusive. A more accurate statement would be that, "when Ben Roethlisberger is getting sacked a ton, he's not very effective. But when Ben does get good protection, makes smart decisions, understands his role, etc, he's one of the most efficient passers in the NFL."
Ben Roethlisberger's career has been a bizarre mix of mistake-prone football, and historic efficiency. I really have no idea what to make out of it, except that he's been exceptionally fortunate to be on the Steelers, and not have to answer questions about his failures as a player.
53Fan 06-19-2009, 12:02 AM These things are not mutually exclusive. A more accurate statement would be that, "when Ben Roethlisberger is getting sacked a ton, he's not very effective. But when Ben does get good protection, makes smart decisions, understands his role, etc, he's one of the most efficient passers in the NFL."
Ben Roethlisberger's career has been a bizarre mix of mistake-prone football, and historic efficiency. I really have no idea what to make out of it, except that he's been exceptionally fortunate to be on the Steelers, and not have to answer questions about his failures as a player.
Winning cures all doesn't it? If the team he plays for wasn't as good as it is, heck, if their defense wasn't as good as it is, I'm sure he would hear some of the same questions Campbell hears.
SkinzzFan 06-19-2009, 12:07 AM I love how Campbell haters have to turn everything into an attack on him. :doh:
I agree, that's been played out. Funny how they ignore the fact that they were 6-2 to start the season because the O-line was opening holes for the running game and gave him decent pass protection (notice I said DECENT). Very few, if any, QBs succeed in this league without a good/great offensive line. Just look at the Redskins glory years...3 Superbowls with 3 QBs, 3 different RB combinations but the SAME offensive line. Coincidence? I think not. Don't blame Campbell, he's played in a different offense every year so far. Every Campbell hater will be eating a huge sh*! burger next year and I'll be happy to serve them. LOL.
I apologize, I got off subject on this thread. My man-love for Jason Campbell just keeps shining through!
HAIL!
GTripp0012 06-19-2009, 12:29 AM Winning cures all doesn't it? If the team he plays for wasn't as good as it is, heck, if their defense wasn't as good as it is, I'm sure he would hear some of the same questions Campbell hears.I would say that to an extent, Steelers fans are more willing to give the benefit of the doubt to their own players than Redskins fans are. I would say, if Campbell's career mirrored Roethlisberger's we'd be just as high on him as the Steelers are on Big Ben, even though, there's not a huge difference between the two.
If Campbell had won two super bowls in the last four years doing not a damn thing different than he has done so, he'd be a "playmaker" too. He'd also still have a long way to develop.
And for Steelers' fans sake, I hope/expect that Ben's going to improve in the future. I don't know how many more years he can plan on having the best defense in football. :)
skins89moss 06-19-2009, 12:49 AM The Redskins FO should stand pat with the young group of WR we have. They will do just fine as long as we give JC time to get them the ball our wideouts will be tough. We have quick WR and big strong WR in Kelly and Thomas. They all have something different to bring to the offense. Remember this is their 2nd full season in the West Coast offense give them time. HTTR.
We don't need no Brandon Marshall, Plax Burress, or Chad Johnson they are big headaches.
GTripp0012 06-19-2009, 01:29 AM The Redskins FO should stand pat with the young group of WR we have. They will do just fine as long as we give JC time to get them the ball our wideouts will be tough. We have quick WR and big strong WR in Kelly and Thomas. They all have something different to bring to the offense. Remember this is their 2nd full season in the West Coast offense give them time. HTTR.
We don't need no Brandon Marshall, Plax Burress, or Chad Johnson they are big headaches.Ultimately, I agree with this. The best move is no move.
stu_nna 06-19-2009, 05:15 AM Brandon Marshall wants out of Denver. This is some kind of pipe dream buy could you imagine him as the Number 1 Reciever with Moss at the two and Randel El I the slot?!! The price is reportedly a first and a third in 2010. Would you guys make that trade?
This question seems crazy. Why would you? I realize we don't have a top flight receiver but we got other needs across the board. Plus doesn't he come with alot of drama?
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