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Nflnick11 06-11-2009, 11:30 PM You'd have more credibility on that interception claim if you conveniently left off who was slinging the ball.
Haha true, but if I hadn't said who it was, then someone would of said who it was against, in a comment like yours
3. Albert Haynesworth, DT, Washington Redskins: He's the most dominant defensive tackle we've seen in years. He's virtually impossible to block one-on-one. I think he'll make a huge impact on the defense in '09. Enough to get the Skins to the playoffs? Probably not.
Why do "analysts" have such hard time taking a chance on saying the Skins will make the playoffs this year? Is it really that out of the question? They were a borderline playoff contender last year with miserable offense and a D that while played solid, couldn't pressure the QB or generate turnovers.
Now the offense should be improved in year #2 under Zorn, and the D should be able to get after the passer and create some more turnovers.
I dunno, to me it's not crazy to picture the Skins going 10-6 and being a wildcard.
skinsfan69 06-12-2009, 10:39 AM Calling Samuel the best CB in the division by far is an embarrassment. He's not better than Newman. He's not better than Rogers. He's probably not even better than Corey Webster, although I'm not going to go that far. He might not be the best CB on his own team.
DeMarcus Ware is painfully overrated. There were like 4 games last year where he may or may not have been dressed, I don't know. He's not great against the run, and a lot of his 20 sacks were concentrated in games against vastly inferior competition. Oh, and when the Cowboys needed one win in their last two games to make the playoffs, Ware got one sack, in the first quarter of the first game. He's not, say, Shawne Merriman or Justin Tuck good. Not even close.
You may not agree that he is the best CB in the division but to say it's embarrassment that someone thinks so is a little too far fetched. If Rogers went on the open market no one is going to pay him the money Samuel got. Samuel got that $ for a reason. He's pretty damn good. Not that getting a big contract in the NFL means you're great but I'd probably take Samuel over Rogers.
NoviSkins 06-12-2009, 11:29 AM 3. Albert Haynesworth, DT, Washington Redskins: He's the most dominant defensive tackle we've seen in years. He's virtually impossible to block one-on-one. I think he'll make a huge impact on the defense in '09. Enough to get the Skins to the playoffs? Probably not.
Why do "analysts" have such hard time taking a chance on saying the Skins will make the playoffs this year? Is it really that out of the question? They were a borderline playoff contender last year with miserable offense and a D that while played solid, couldn't pressure the QB or generate turnovers.
Now the offense should be improved in year #2 under Zorn, and the D should be able to get after the passer and create some more turnovers.
I dunno, to me it's not crazy to picture the Skins going 10-6 and being a wildcard.
Exactly, I think the addition of Haynesworth and Orakpo alone are good for 2 more wins. For whatevever reason the Skins really are pariahs in the eyes of the national media.
Crash 06-12-2009, 11:40 AM This tells me that Philip Rivers is better...and we're going after him next off-season!! :)
I won't be shocked if we go after Rivers and Merriman
D'BOYZ 06-12-2009, 12:03 PM OK I'm Sorry but I thought at least here some people were going to say that it was outrageous that someone put a rookie who hasn't had a Snap in the top ten no matter how good of a prospect he might be. How many 1st round pick with so much high hopes turn out to be bust and to call a guy a top 10 without even playing it's absurd.
Orakpo might be a great player in the future but putting him ahead of Osi, trent Cole even Jay Ratliff as defensive guys go it's absurd.
Also No WR in your top 10 to make a team that's also ridiculous Santana Moss should made the list because he's the best WR in our division, plain and simple. DeSean has potential but e has only play one season.
Third to the guy that said Ware is Overrated I just can't stop laughing he had a sack for 10 consecutive games that's an NFL record (tied) that's consistency it's not like he had 6 sacks against a team then he didn't had any for 2 or 3 games he had 4 against the Giants (3 in 1 game), 2 against you guys. Come on 20 sacks and you say the guy s overrated when he's game planned by every team, he's double or even triple team every play.
It's like me saying Haynesworth it's overrated it's just plain absurd... The guy is the best Tackle in the game today is he worth 41mil Guaranteed I don't know but is he the best sure like Ware is the best OLB in the game.... and to the guy that said Merriman he'0s just a pressure player Ware is a complete OLB he covers and plays the run great and still puts pressure also he doesn't need steroids to be good.
Now Corners Even I as a Dallas fan can agree that Samuel's is the best in the division as one said he finds the ball and play the best in the playoffs he single handed beat Payton Manning twice in the AFC championship with 3 int games. Now I know you're Redskins fans and you support your players but to say C.Rogers is better than Newman again just absurd. C.Rogers finally had one good season last year after some really bad ones at one point in his career he was bench he's improving yes, is he the 3rd best I don't know maybe Brown is third in my book. But Cmon Newman had 1 year that he didn't allow a TD the whole season and the next year only allowed 1. He's the #1 CB in coverage but #5 or #6 in Int.
That's my 2 cents
Daseal 06-12-2009, 12:03 PM The skins have burned analysts before. They're taking the show me stance. I'm fine with that, hopefully we'll prove everyone wrong.
Stuck in TX 06-12-2009, 12:05 PM If we make the playoffs and JC has a pro bowl season I can't see us going after Rivers. Not sure I like this list though. Ware is incredibly overrated and Eli? Come on. He chokes more than he performs. I liked that ESPN article on JC. I hope to God he has a breakthrough season but if he does not, we can almost all agree that even the greatest QB of all time could not survive the tumultuous ride that JC has endured. Taking into account how he handled it all says alot about him... anyways my point is if he for some reason has a subpar season here, he will make us feel very sorry for ourselves when another team signs him to a little three year deal and he goes crazy like Brees did.
Schneed10 06-12-2009, 12:12 PM Calling Samuel the best CB in the division by far is an embarrassment. He's not better than Newman. He's not better than Rogers. He's probably not even better than Corey Webster, although I'm not going to go that far. He might not be the best CB on his own team.
DeMarcus Ware is painfully overrated. There were like 4 games last year where he may or may not have been dressed, I don't know. He's not great against the run, and a lot of his 20 sacks were concentrated in games against vastly inferior competition. Oh, and when the Cowboys needed one win in their last two games to make the playoffs, Ware got one sack, in the first quarter of the first game. He's not, say, Shawne Merriman or Justin Tuck good. Not even close.
GTripp, I think what you do with the football stats and using metrics is really cool. But at some point you have to reconcile what you're doing with common sense.
Saying Samuel as the best in the division = an embarrassment is a statement that doesn't just contradict common sense, it flies in the face of it.
If you're going to make such a statement, you need to post some of your kick ass metric stuff and summarize it in such a way that you might convince us why you're right. Otherwise these outlandish statements -with no support behind them - convince us of little other than your credibility is questionable.
You've got to show you can convert the stats into common sense discussion or nobody's going to buy it.
Yeah and if Ware is overrated with 20 sacks, I sure hope Orakpo can be just as overrated.
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