Mancow Waterboarded, Admits It's Torture

Trample, perhaps Im wrong here -- but I believe the question was are you okay with Americans being tortured by terrorists, rather than American traitors.

The question was asked, I think by Dmek, that would you be for torturing people if they were Americans. I said yes, and I'm sure most of you were not surprised.

I thought about who would be the perfect candidate to torture. And then it clicked!

For the first American traitor to be tortured I nominate Adam Gadahn, aka the American Al Qaida. If anyone with the authority to put me in the postion to take care of this guy, all I ask is 24hrs, a pair of pliers, a blow torch, and a table saw. You'll not have to pay me. It would be an honor.

It'd be my honor Mr. Bauer

Sometimes violence ENDS violence. If someone is standing there hitting you KNOWING you won't hit back, diplomacy won't end it. But if you suddenly stand up & punch the guy in the face a few times, he'll stop.

Diplomacy can go only so far. With some people & certain TYPES of people, violence is the only thing that works.

Violence will never end violence. You claim it is ended in the situation you posed, but it is only temporarily gone. Awareness and Consciousness are the only ways to bring peace to this world.

Would you say that Gandhi was too proud to pick up a gun and kill the British?

I wouldn't say we are being too "proud" to change our morals standards. The people who flew the planes into the World Trade Center are probably happy about our reactions and how we are changing our moral standards to try and stop them. We shouldn't be stooping to their level.

Also, I hope most of you people realize that we are not at war with Islam, there are plenty of people who are Muslim or from the Middle East who are not terrorists and are good people just like you think you are.

Excellent.

Sometimes violence ENDS violence. If someone is standing there hitting you KNOWING you won't hit back, diplomacy won't end it. But if you suddenly stand up & punch the guy in the face a few times, he'll stop.

Diplomacy can go only so far. With some people & certain TYPES of people, violence is the only thing that works.

Meanwhile the guy you punched just slinks away and plots his revenge. Violence doesn't end violence, it's an endless cycle. Especially when dealing with extremists. I'm not saying diplomacy is the answer either, but let's not pretend like hitting back solves everything in the end.

Is there any evidence that suggests torture leads to information being obtained and the correct info at that? If no, why is torture ok with people? I'm not saying it is or isn't the answer, I'm just asking if it's not leading to the desired result shouldn't other methods be considered?
Pretty partisan article, but the information contained indicates there was much information that was obtained through "enhanced interrogations" that was not obtained by softer means. If correct, a second 9/11 in LA was thwarted by the actions of the CIA and Bush Admin.

Cracking KSM by Deroy Murdock on National Review Online (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWQyMDUzNjk4ZjFmMzhkZGJjZGI3OTRjOGYzMDQxMjQ)=

The answer is acceptance for the present moment, and hence acceptance for all that is. Everything has its perfect place and could not be other than what it is and the way it is.

... call me crazy.

I come from the school of: Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

It really doesn't matter, but ask yourself, "Who started this?"

Awareness and Consciousness are the only ways to bring peace to this world.

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What is your plan to bring peace to this world?