Mancow Waterboarded, Admits It's Torture

what if it was an American being water boarded? would that be OK?

Yes. All is fair in love and war.

Reflects my feelings to a T. Hell, pull their fingernails off one by one for all I care. Do whatever it takes.

Yup. My feelings as well. But obviously only if we have determined with the best possible intelligence that the person we're torturing is likely to have information that will help save American lives. If that's the case, proceed with 1 million paper cuts.

Yup. My feelings as well. But obviously only if we have determined with the best possible intelligence that the person we're torturing is likely to have information that will help save American lives. If that's the case, proceed with 1 million paper cuts.

I don't even mind erring on the side of caution and torturing them "just in case" they carry meaningful intel.

It's been said before in this thread. Our guys' bodies get drug through the streets and hung from bridges, heads get cut off on the internet, and on and on. I don't think we should act like we're above returning the favor.

Cut their heads off and mail them to the middle east, just to send a message. What, like that's going to make them more at war with us than they already are?

Funny thing about war. In times preceding the 18th century, armies met on open battlefields and went toe to toe with one another. While just movies, the scenes from Braveheart tell the tale. Along comes the invention of the firearm and armies still battled in this manner, standing in an open field trading volley after volley.

It wasn't long before a group of militia figured out that hiding in the trees, bushes, and shrubbery could give their men a leg up on the opposition. One army stands out in the open and marching down roads in formation, while the undermanned rag-tag militia hid in the trees and continually ambushed the more powerful army, an army that was ultimately either too proud to adapt or too slow to do so.

Thus the Revolutionary War was won and the United States was born.

You can't criticize terrorists for fighting the way they are. They can't meet us head on, so sneaking around setting bombs and hijacking commercial planes is their next best option. And surely they aspire to sneaking a nuclear weapon into our country. Some might call this style cowardly, but if you want to win that fight you better figure out a way to combat it. If you don't adapt to their style you risk losing the war, no matter how proud you are of your values and way of life.

Sneaking around to set bombs and hijack planes requires coordinated covert planning. If you want to uncover the plan, you have to uncover the intel. Torture is the answer to the terrorists' version of ambushing the Red Coats from the woods.

I don't even mind erring on the side of caution and torturing them "just in case" they carry meaningful intel.

It's been said before in this thread. Our guys' bodies get drug through the streets and hung from bridges, heads get cut off on the internet, and on and on. I don't think we should act like we're above returning the favor.

Cut their heads off and mail them to the middle east, just to send a message. What, like that's going to make them more at war with us than they already are?

Oh neither do I. I'm not talking about without a shadow of a doubt type intel. If there's a good chance they know something, go get 'em.

Yes. All is fair in love and war.

Thank you!

Funny thing about war. In times preceding the 18th century, armies met on open battlefields and went toe to toe with one another. While just movies, the scenes from Braveheart tell the tale. Along comes the invention of the firearm and armies still battled in this manner, standing in an open field trading volley after volley.

It wasn't long before a group of militia figured out that hiding in the trees, bushes, and shrubbery could give their men a leg up on the opposition. One army stands out in the open and marching down roads in formation, while the undermanned rag-tag militia hid in the trees and continually ambushed the more powerful army, an army that was ultimately either too proud to adapt or too slow to do so.

Thus the Revolutionary War was won and the United States was born.

You can't criticize terrorists for fighting the way they are. They can't meet us head on, so sneaking around setting bombs and hijacking commercial planes is their next best option. And surely they aspire to sneaking a nuclear weapon into our country. Some might call this style cowardly, but if you want to win that fight you better figure out a way to combat it. If you don't adapt to their style you risk losing the war, no matter how proud you are of your values and way of life.

Sneaking around to set bombs and hijack planes requires coordinated covert planning. If you want to uncover the plan, you have to uncover the intel. Torture is the answer to the terrorists' version of ambushing the Red Coats from the woods.


I see armies not changing the way they fight as a sign of pride. But, everyone seems to be debating the moral issue of torture and do the ends justify the means.

I see armies not changing the way they fight as a sign of pride. But, everyone seems to be debating the moral issue of torture and do the ends justify the means.

That's exactly what I'm saying, and it's exactly how the Brits lost the Revolutionary War, they were either too proud to change or too slow to change. Surely you're not suggesting we remain proud and uphold high moral standards at the risk of losing a war?

If Obama released the means of torture then why if it didn't work did he not release the results from what YOU call torture?

Geez Firstdown, you all knock Obama for releasing the memo's.............saying it violates our security and makes us unsafer, or some crap like that. Now, you want Obama to release the information gained from it.........................I wish you all would just make up your minds.

Are you suggesting the only reason the result weren't released is because they worked? A) Obama didn't release the means of torture, everyone already knew we were water-boarding so the release of the memos is immaterial and B) Obama professed in one of his speeches that torture might have worked though there are alternatives to torturing people to get information.

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Give me some other reason he did not release those memos with the others he released?