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saden1 05-26-2009, 04:38 PM What are you trying to say?
EDIT: just saw the bolded part, I get it. Question for you, if you could've waterboarded one of the 4 soldiers before the rape and murder of the Iraqi family and gained the intel to stop the murders, would you waterboard to get the info?
My opinion: If the facts stated are true & correct, that this ex-soldier and the other soldiers raped and murdered this girl and her family, they deserve the death penalty.
No I wouldn't resort to torture because I wouldn't assume torture was the only viable means of archiving the desired result. Furthermore, your argument for torture in this instance would pave the way for using torture in any scenario where someone's life is in danger.
firstdown 05-26-2009, 04:41 PM Slingin' Sammy, you've quoted it and said "if, if, if" but never answered the question. Are you okay with American's being tortured?
If there were Americans forming groups and running planes into another countries buildings like what happened here then at that point they are on their own. See I just don't see this as a coventional type war with another country so my views are different.
Missin21 05-26-2009, 04:42 PM Did I miss a specific scenario?
Personally, I have seen youtube videos of Americans being tortured AND murdered (I can recall one specific journalist[?] I believe where we watched these animals saw his head off with a machete). I think we should be just as willing to go as far as them to stop the terrorism as they are to create it.
It seems to me that the more we try to "abide" by rules that only exist to make THEIR lives easier for committing these crimes, the more we play into their hands.
firstdown 05-26-2009, 04:45 PM Personally, I have seen youtube videos of Americans being tortured AND murdered (I can recall one specific journalist[?] I believe where we watched these animals saw his head off with a machete). I think we should be just as willing to go as far as them to stop the terrorism as they are to create it.
It seems to me that the more we try to "abide" by rules that only exist to make THEIR lives easier for committing these crimes, the more we play into their hands.
I'm not willing to go that far.
firstdown 05-26-2009, 04:49 PM Top Al-Qaida suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who has been held at Guantanamo Bay since 2003, said he beheaded American journalist Daniel Pearl in Pakistan in 2002, according to the transcript of a hearing at the Guantanamo prison camp released Thursday.
"I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew Daniel Pearl," Mohammed said through a personal representative, according to the transcript released by the Pentagon.
Missin21 05-26-2009, 04:50 PM I'm not willing to go that far.
I am. And then some.
I say go after their families. They are born to die for their cause & take as many Americans & Jews with them as possible, but they know in doing so, their families will be protected & provided for by their governments. You take that protection away, you take away that motivation.
saden1 05-26-2009, 04:55 PM I am. And then some.
I say go after their families. They are born to die for their cause & take as many Americans & Jews with them as possible, but they know in doing so, their families will be protected & provided for by their governments. You take that protection away, you take away that motivation.
That's some evil genius shit right there...good stuff man...keep the ideas flowing.
FRPLG 05-26-2009, 05:20 PM No I wouldn't resort to torture because I wouldn't assume torture was the only viable means of archiving the desired result. Furthermore, your argument for torture in this instance would pave the way for using torture in any scenario where someone's life is in danger.
I agree.
firstdown 05-26-2009, 05:26 PM No I wouldn't resort to torture because I wouldn't assume torture was the only viable means of archiving the desired result. Furthermore, your argument for torture in this instance would pave the way for using torture in any scenario where someone's life is in danger.
If Obama released the means of torture then why if it didn't work did he not release the results from what YOU call torture?
Trample the Elderly 05-26-2009, 05:55 PM what if it was an American being water boarded? would that be OK?
I would prefer it. When I take them apart with a chainsaw I could understand their screams for mercy. :FIREdevil
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