Mancow Waterboarded, Admits It's Torture

Dang I laughed so hard when I read your first line the others in my office wanted to hear the joke. Thats what Obama has been saying about Iran and N Korea and every day they are testing new stuff like never before. What to fear anymore? The UN.

What do you have against Jesus' teachings?

let's not pretend like hitting back solves everything in the end.


sometimes it works and sometimes it don't but regardless, you, me, him, her, the USA need to stand up and fight back.:boxing:

Dude, I stopped smoking pot a long time ago. What are you talking about? Why don't you post like a normal human being and leave that transcendentalist bs alone, or I'll just be forced to ignore you unless I need a good laugh.

What you call a "normal" human being is in a constant state of dysfunction. No thanks.

OK, we agree on what the study says.

From my post: This study simply states that "nation building" in the long term is more effective than the current strategy (boots on the ground being targets). from the article "It says massive military interventions against insurgencies usually fail." No argument here, we are facing an uphill climb.

However, "we" (the U.S.) shouldn't be in the business of nation-building. Unfortunately at this point we are stuck getting Iraq and Afghanistan stabilized, but this shouldn't be our policy going forward. I don't think a big group hug with Al Qaeda and other Muslim extremists is going to help the situation either.

If we are in Iraq and Afghanistan for "national security reasons", then we should be in the business of nation-building -- unless we want to fail, because occupation is not working.

What the report fails to address in the proverbial "nuclear option". If we wanted we could go the way of dictators and simply kill every freaking last one of them. That isn't our way though.

But yeah in the long run our national discussion needs to change towards newer more favorable methods for fighting this stuff. Practical methods that can work. The first thing we need to get straight on though is expectations. We cannot expect to ever make everyone happy. There will never be peace in the world. At least in a world of 7 billion humans beings all with competing interests. And where there are unhappy people there will be undoubtedly some crazy people and unhappy crazy people blow up buses and fly planes into buildings. We have to accept that we can't end terrorism we can only hope to contain it.

Every action has equal and opposite reaction. The equal and opposite reaction to the "nuclear option' is not a pleasant one and that much I am certain of. Maybe we won't feel the reaction immediately, maybe not in 5 years or 10 but eventually the reaction would be at our door step. This isn't merely philosophical musing but a fact of life.

What you call a "normal" human being is in a constant state of dysfunction. No thanks.


if your telling us that you are not "normal", i would totally agree. :)

Every action has equal and opposite reaction. The equal and opposite reaction to the "nuclear option' is not a pleasant one and that much I am certain of. Maybe we won't feel the reaction immediately, maybe not in 5 years or 10 but eventually the reaction would be at our door step. This isn't merely philosophical musing but a fact of life.

Totally agree.

Every action has equal and opposite reaction. The equal and opposite reaction to the "nuclear option' is not a pleasant one and that much I am certain of. Maybe we won't feel the reaction immediately, maybe not in 5 years or 10 but eventually the reaction would be at our door step. This isn't merely philosophical musing but a fact of life.

ya know, we nuked Japan, and now have had 60+ years of peace with them. Maybe your equal and opposite fact has some truth, so if we all out nukem, then we could have an incredibly long peace with everyone else. Kinda reminds me of the burning of Carthage.

ok, this was just philosophical musings.

I thought you renovated that school?
Yeah, I'm done with H. Springs. Now I'm about 3/4 done with Douglas Freeman, and after that I'm hoping for some "shovel ready" projects courtesy of the big O. Our shop just laid-off 17 employees last week. Maybe I should stop being a technician and start my own wind mill company.

But, to respond to the topic at hand, I sure am glad that some of you are not in-charge of our nations' defenses. Remember boys and girls what I always say, "except for ending slavery, Fascism, Nazism, Communism and terrorism, war has never solved anything.http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif

Yeah, I'm done with H. Springs. Now I'm about 3/4 done with Douglas Freeman, and after that I'm hoping for some "shovel ready" projects courtesy of the big O. Our shop just laid-off 17 employees last week. Maybe I should stop being a technician and start my own wind mill company.

But, to respond to the topic at hand, I sure am glad that some of you are not in-charge of our nations' defenses. Remember boys and girls what I always say, "except for ending slavery, Fascism, Nazism, Communism and terrorism, war has never solved anything.http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon12.gif

Have those things been ended?