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Brian Orakpo 05-19-2009, 04:55 PM according to you Romo played with a better team anyway last year and couldn't win a thing yet I suppose to believe he could turn the Giants around................................ahhh no!Time and time again Romo has been in presure situations and choke ....his QB ranking means squat.Can he win a big game,can he put a team on his back,McNabb has done it,Eli has done it and I believe Campbell can do it,Romo .....nope.
When did I say the Cowboys had a better team than the Giants last year? For some reason you think my rankings look only at last year. My rankings throw in a number of factors. I ranked them mainly on how the teams rosters look as of right now in May of 2009 not from last year.
When has Eli won a big game? I will give Eli credit for managing the game and making some nice throws at times but he never carried a team on his back in a big game. Every time he had to he has lost or in SB42 he just got really lucky. Nothing I saw Eli do in the SB that year was something any other QB couldnt do.
If you want to base your QB outlook off of which team has won a big game then go ahead. I like to look at the QBs by what they have done on the field and not something that is a team accomplishment.
Romo for his career has a 94.7 QB rating. Manning for his career has a 76.1 QB rating. Romo last year had a 91.4 QB rating. Manning had a 86.4 QB rating last year. If you want to say Eli is a better QB because he rode the coattails of his team to a SB be my guest.
Skins4L 05-19-2009, 05:49 PM I feel like our WR core is the most underrated in the league.
the fact that we couldnt score last year... doesnt do us any justice in what we have as far as weapons again coming into this season.
53Fan 05-19-2009, 06:38 PM QB-Philly, NYG, Washington, Dallas; Romo takes a big step backwards without T.O. and Campbell takes a big step forward. McNabb is far and away the best in the division.
RB-Dallas, Washington, NYG, Philly; Barber, Jones and Choice could all start for some teams. Portis puts up his normal 1,300-11 TD season.
WR-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Surprisingly I feel like we have the fewest questions at WR. Philly and NY are putting a lot of faith in rookies and in Dallas, Roy Williams hasn't proven anything to show he's going to be a reliable #1.
TE-Dallas, Washington, Philly, NYG; Witten is one of the best in the game, Cooley not far behind him. The drop off is precipitous after those two.
OL-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Why Washington over Dallas? They are actually OLDER and more injury prone than our OL. I like Dockery coming back and think Heyer will solve our RT questions.
DL-NYG, Dallas, Washington, Philly; With Osi coming back the Giants are going to be really scary up front. Haynesworth helps but you can count on him and Griff missing 2-4 games each year so you've got to discount them somewhat.
LB-Dallas, NYG, Washington, Philly; Ware is the best pass rusher in the league, NYG have 3 solid starters and decent depth.
CB-Washington, Philly, Dallas, NYG; Hall and Rogers are slightly better than Samuels and Hobbs. Dallas is counting on development in the 2nd year from some players and NYG is solid but not great.
S-Washington, NYG, Dallas, Philly; Landry/Horton/Moore puts them above the rest of the division. Probably our strongest unit.
ST-Philly, Dallas, NYG Washington; DeSean Jackson is the difference maker here. Dallas has the best kicker/punter combo, we've still got question marks at K and in the return game.
Coaches-NYG, Philly, Washington, Dallas; Pretty simple Coughlin won a SB, Reid has been to a Super Bowl, I like Zorn in his 2nd year more than Phillips who is the most obvious lame duck in the NFL.
Overall-NYG, Washington, Philly, Dallas; The Giants are still the class of the division until proven otherwise. I expect improvement in year 2 of Zorn's offense and the additions to our defense should make us more dangerous in terms of sacks and turnovers. Philly was dead in the water last November before making a nice run but over the last 4 years they are only one game better than us in the W-L column. Dallas lost their best player on offense, didn't do much in FA or the draft and have the look of an overrated 6-10 bust.
I couldn't add much to this. I think how much of a contribution Haynesworth, Orakpo, and Fred Davis make could change the rankings and if Betts was actually used, maybe he could too, but I'm agreeable with this. Campbell could also make a move up with a great year. I would also put Zorn ahead of Phillips as Paintrain has. Wade has proved he's not much of a HC, Zorn hasn't.
horse 05-19-2009, 08:54 PM **** philly if it was'nt for chicago, dallas, tampa, and us falling apart for no real reason they should'nt have even made the playoffs.
Giantone 05-19-2009, 09:07 PM When did I say the Cowboys had a better team than the Giants last year? For some reason you think my rankings look only at last year. My rankings throw in a number of factors. I ranked them mainly on how the teams rosters look as of right now in May of 2009 not from last year.
When has Eli won a big game? I will give Eli credit for managing the game and making some nice throws at times but he never carried a team on his back in a big game. Every time he had to he has lost or in SB42 he just got really lucky. Nothing I saw Eli do in the SB that year was something any other QB couldnt do.
If you want to base your QB outlook off of which team has won a big game then go ahead. I like to look at the QBs by what they have done on the field and not something that is a team accomplishment.
Romo for his career has a 94.7 QB rating. Manning for his career has a 76.1 QB rating. Romo last year had a 91.4 QB rating. Manning had a 86.4 QB rating last year. If you want to say Eli is a better QB because he rode the coattails of his team to a SB be my guest.
Go back to your rankings,you rank the Cowboys over the Giants in everything Offensivly.QB ratings don't mean anything .....can he win a big game ,Eli has ,Romo hasn't............,so the Super Bowl wasn't a big game .Like it or not he got the MVP...he must have done something in that game!Hey I bet Tom Brady has better QB rating then Eli but on that day Eli won ,that day he was the better QB.
TheMalcolmConnection 05-19-2009, 09:59 PM When I break down Romo's passes from last year, the trends are startling. Almost zero of his most valuable completions went to wide receivers. Consistently, Romo was best throwing to his tight ends and backs. Little things like that tend to be the mark of good quarterbacking.
I'm gonna' have to disagree with you there. Doesn't that suggest that he dumped off two yard passes that the receiver or running back turned into huge gains? I think he was second or third in the league in interceptions and a lot of those were him trying to force throws deep. Truly, much like the Cowboys of the 90s, Romo and the RBs are playing behind a superior line. Call it what you want, but he has ALL day to sit back there. He's elusive yes, but I have never been like, "Wow, his throwing skills are amazing."
I always would see him have forever to throw or scramble and check down for a short throw that, in the stat books, looks like a huge completion. Sure, his elusiveness might suggest he's a great QB, but couldn't you say that about Vick and others?
TheMalcolmConnection 05-19-2009, 10:00 PM Go back to your rankings,you rank the Cowboys over the Giants in everything Offensivly.QB ratings don't mean anything .....can he win a big game ,Eli has ,Romo hasn't............,so the Super Bowl wasn't a big game .Like it or not he got the MVP...he must have done something in that game!Hey I bet Tom Brady has better QB rating then Eli but on that day Eli won ,that day he was the better QB.
Key words. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.
Brian Orakpo 05-19-2009, 10:37 PM Go back to your rankings,you rank the Cowboys over the Giants in everything Offensivly.
...and your point is? I think they are better. If you dont like it call your congressman.
QB ratings don't mean anything .....
I just listed the QB rating because it was easier than copying and pasting every stat that proves my point.
can he win a big game ,Eli has ,Romo hasn't............,so the Super Bowl wasn't a big game .Like it or not he got the MVP...he must have done something in that game!
Actually there was no single player worth it so they gave the MVP to Eli. They should of given the MVP to the whole defensive line of the Giants. Hell I think David Tyree deserved it more catching a TD and then making a huge catch to help setup the GW TD.
pick-ups 05-19-2009, 10:38 PM **** philly if it was'nt for chicago, dallas, tampa, and us falling apart for no real reason they should'nt have even made the playoffs.
....and IF the Redskins beat the Rams then what.
In the NFL every game matters and if's are nothing more than an excuse.
`08 is over and I'm excited about the upcoming season.
Brian Orakpo 05-19-2009, 10:39 PM `08 is over and I'm excited about the upcoming season.
You should be dude. The Eagles have a really good team this year. If they put it all together they might finally win a Super Bowl.
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