Redskins Win In Appeals Court

I apologize if this link is posted elsewhere in this thread. My lawyer friend sent me this story, more about the lawfirm than the Skins specifically:

Quinn Emanuel Associate Has Reservations About 'Redskin' Victory - Above the Law - A Legal Tabloid - News, Gossip, and Colorful Commentary on Law Firms and the Legal Profession (http://abovethelaw.com/2009/05/quinn_emanuel_redskins_reservations.php)

Has this already been posted? I just saw it on Yahoo. Nothing sharp in the analysis here. It's just a rant.

No excuses: Redskins need a new nickname - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmCjC_SjaBMfmdXmv.3ypMw5nYcB?slug=ms-trippintuesday051909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Has this already been posted? I just saw it on Yahoo. Nothing sharp in the analysis here. It's just a rant.

No excuses: Redskins need a new nickname - NFL - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AmCjC_SjaBMfmdXmv.3ypMw5nYcB?slug=ms-trippintuesday051909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

I know 99% of this board will disagree with me but that article is spot on imo.

I read the article and the guy just trying to piss off skins fans with his ignorance. I have indian blood in me and it not that upset hell it might be the reason I root so passionatety for my team. Hell the guy needs a hugg or a role model something.

I know 99% of this board will disagree with me but that article is spot on imo.
These arguments are almost always made by "intelligentia" to showcase their enlightened viewpoint and hammer on how historically the U.S. treated the NAs, or media types to get web hits and sell columns, or NA activists with either an ax to grind, publicity to get, or $$$ to make.

Bottom line, the Skins are a private entity, if folks don't like the name, don't buy tickets, buy merchandise, or watch the games. If someone has a problem, make another on-line petition like the one with 48 signatures mentioned earlier in the thread, and get it to DS (good luck with that).

From Sports Illustrated's article 'The Indian Wars"
"Indeed, a recent SI poll suggests that although Native American activists are virtually united in opposition to the use of Indian nicknames and mascots, the Native American population sees the issue far differently. Asked if high school and college teams should stop using Indian nicknames, 81% of Native American respondents said no. As for pro sports, 83% of Native American respondents said teams should not stop using Indian nicknames, mascots, characters and symbols. Opinion is far more divided on reservations, yet a majority (67%) there said the usage by pro teams should not cease, while 32% said it should."

spelling- baaad!

lol

but anyways this whole thing is retarted. glad we won that shit.

Bottom line, the Skins are a private entity, if folks don't like the name, don't buy tickets, buy merchandise, or watch the games. If someone has a problem, make another on-line petition like the one with 48 signatures mentioned earlier in the thread, and get it to DS (good luck with that).

Yes they are a private entity and no one is forcing anyone to watch Redskin games or buy merchandise. At the sametime on some level the team name is racist. I kinda find it funny in todays society that there is still a sports team with a racial slur as their team name.

I think its kinda sad when people start throwing out terms like "private entity". Thats kinda saying I know its a racial slur but people cant do anything about it so deal with it. That same attitude was the same attitude this Country had against African-Americans until the race stood up for themselves. The problem is their arent enough Native-Americans to really voice their anger over the team name imo compared to other races in this Country.

Like I have said before I have no huge problem with it because I do know that the team honors Indians and they dont mean for the team name to be offensive. As A Redskins fan im happy we still have the team name. At the sametime I do realize that it is also used as a racial slur. I do believe in time the team name will be changed. It may be 50 years from now but it will be changed soon enough.

As for the online petition those really mean nothing either way. Im sure the number of Indians who find the name offensive is alot higher than 48. The problem is when compared to the rest of this country the Indian population is quite small. If it was any other race of people the team name was offending the team name would of been changed a long time ago.

I think that it's pretty funny that the very term "Indians" itself is a misnomer that we can thank European colonists for. I, being an Indian indian, could go on this crusade to stop the term Indian from being misused to label Native Americans. But is it really worth it? What is that going to achieve?

It's not about what divides us but what unites everyone that these minority advocacy groups should be focusing in on. Ultimately, it should be about moving forward and gaining sympathy for your cause.

Haan Ji. you spit the truth

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At the sametime I do realize that it is also used as a racial slur. I do believe in time the team name will be changed. It may be 50 years from now but it will be changed soon enough.

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Maybe in 50 years we will have had enough of lawsuits and PC'ness, and people will be amazed that any lawsuits were ever filed anyways.

I think its kinda sad when people start throwing out terms like "private entity". Thats kinda saying I know its a racial slur but people cant do anything about it so deal with it. That same attitude was the same attitude this Country had against African-Americans until the race stood up for themselves. The problem is their arent enough Native-Americans to really voice their anger over the team name imo compared to other races in this Country. Please be clear, I am NOT saying, "I know it's a racial slur, but people can't do anything, so deal with it." I don't believe it to be a racial slur or I would agree with you. The faux outrage of NA activists on this issue really should make one look deeper at what their real motive is.

There are many names or things that can be perceived by one group or another to be offensive. There are many team names other groups may find offensive; Fighting Irish (focus on the drunken Irishman stereotype), Saints (atheists would find this offensive), the Razorback symbol at Arkansas or the "Hogs" (offensive to some Muslims as a pig is a low form of animal). The term "Redskin" and the N-word are two vastly different things. If you survey African Americans and ask if the N-word is a racial slur and if they would be against the term being used for a sports team, I'm pretty sure you'd get a 99%+ percent that the term is offensive. There is no positive or neutral connotation for that word at all. Yet in a survey of NA people, that the vast majority don't have a problem with NA team names, including Redskins, is very telling.

Do a Google search on "redskin" and the autolinks that come up are all about the Redskin team. Here is also an interesting read about the origins of the term Redskin, certainly not a negative or racist origin.

http://anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf

If you know Redskin team history, the name came about because the owner was honoring the coach who was NA and he also wanted to separate the team from the Braves name they had before. If the coach didn't resign or protest the team name, then I'd say we're on pretty solid ground here. This issue has only come about more recently in the PC world we live in.

The problem is when compared to the rest of this country the Indian population is quite small. If it was any other race of people the team name was offending the team name would of been changed a long time ago.The size of NA population in the US has nothing to do with it. As I referenced in my last post, the problem is the NA team name issue offends NA activists and those with an agenda, not the NA people in general. Keep in mind it wasn't just African American folks who stood up for civil rights in this country, it was a consolidated effort by members of all races. If it was only African Americans, based on population count, we would not have made the progress towards racial equality that we have.